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This is one of the ways the media (and politicians) lie. They use words that are technically correct if you squint, but severely misleading. Given that one of

This is one of the ways the media (and politicians) lie. They use words that are technically correct if you squint, but severely misleading. Given that one of the functions of a journalist is to clearly communicate, they're either incompetent or they're deliberately misleading. And it's pretty clear it's the second.

Tagbert 6y ago
This is an article in a general newsy site without a science focus. I’m not surprised that the title is borderline click-bait.
- kosievdmerwe 6y ago
  Yeah fair, I was a little harsh. This is clickbait, though built on the confusion of a specific scientific meaning and the commonly understood meaning.
jollofricepeas 6y ago
Respectfully, I’m not sure you understand the function of the press. When has journalism ever stuck to facts? When has the “news” been more than stories and opinion? Hint: Never Your assumptions aren’t based in fact and smack of elitism. Press has no responsibility to meet your personal idea of competency. Read: A History of News by Mitchell Stephens https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism
- kosievdmerwe 6y ago
  Given that the media wants to claim to be the fourth estate and a vital part of democracy, I don't think I'm wrong to hold them to a higher standard. Washington Post's slogan is "Democracy Dies in Darkness". And frankly when you or anyone starts with "Respectfully", you're typically not. Your post certainly only has a thin veneer.
  - jollofricepeas 6y ago
    Respectfully, I could have been nasty but chose not to. Again, who are you that your standards are worthy meeting? The role of press is to exist. The sooner you understand this then you’ll have a better appreciation for all press outlets even those you disagree with.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  There isn't really much of a political gain to be had from describing a large blob of galaxies as a "structure" or a "wall." It's not even that "structure" necessarily implies planned assembly. There are "structures" in biology, geology, and meteorology, and none imply a builder or designer.
- helixhelix 6y ago
  Why are you defending the press? If they don't stick to facts, what use are they? Now we have an entire generation that "fucking love Science" because some TV stars said we're made of starstuff and the Matrix is real.
pharrington 6y ago
"Deliberately misleading"? In this case the journalists are literally copying the terms the cosmologists are using. From the preprint - "The South Pole Wall rivals the Sloan Great Wall in extent, at a distance a factor two closer. The iconic structures that have transformed our understanding of large scale structure have come from the observed distribution of galaxies assembled from redshift surveys: the Perseus−Pisces filament (Giovanelli & Haynes1982), the CfA Great Wall (de Lapparent et al.1986), the Sloan Great Wall (Gott et al. 2005)"
- kosievdmerwe 6y ago
  The point of a science article like this is for the journalist to act as an intermediate between the scientists and the public. Their job is to communicate an understanding to the lay public using familiar terms and concepts. To let the public learn some part of the wonder of the universe and to let them appreciate the work the scientists did. To do this you have to focus on communicating understanding rather than pure technical accuracy.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    The problem is the split in responsibilities. In many news organizations the article and the title are written by different people, and often one article will go through a few titles if necessary. The article is ideally written for understanding, but the title is written to draw in clicks. This split goal results in some really unfortunate titles, even if the article is well written by someone acting in good faith.
- P4wl0w 6y ago
  Since when does the job of a journalist not demand him to think on his own before copying headlines? If journalists behave this way they can be used by anyone to spread their message unfiltered. This is not what I expect of quality journalism and I will not ever pay for such a careless "work". Copying headlines can be done by machines more efficiently.

Tagbert 6y ago

This is an article in a general newsy site without a science focus. I’m not surprised that the title is borderline click-bait.

kosievdmerwe 6y ago
Yeah fair, I was a little harsh. This is clickbait, though built on the confusion of a specific scientific meaning and the commonly understood meaning.

jollofricepeas 6y ago

Respectfully, I’m not sure you understand the function of the press. When has journalism ever stuck to facts? When has the “news” been more than stories and opinion? Hint: Never Your assumptions aren’t based in fact and smack of elitism. Press has no responsibility to meet your personal idea of competency. Read: A History of News by Mitchell Stephens https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1854941W/A_history_of_news Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_French_journalism

kosievdmerwe 6y ago
Given that the media wants to claim to be the fourth estate and a vital part of democracy, I don't think I'm wrong to hold them to a higher standard. Washington Post's slogan is "Democracy Dies in Darkness". And frankly when you or anyone starts with "Respectfully", you're typically not. Your post certainly only has a thin veneer.
- jollofricepeas 6y ago
  Respectfully, I could have been nasty but chose not to. Again, who are you that your standards are worthy meeting? The role of press is to exist. The sooner you understand this then you’ll have a better appreciation for all press outlets even those you disagree with.
TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
There isn't really much of a political gain to be had from describing a large blob of galaxies as a "structure" or a "wall." It's not even that "structure" necessarily implies planned assembly. There are "structures" in biology, geology, and meteorology, and none imply a builder or designer.
helixhelix 6y ago
Why are you defending the press? If they don't stick to facts, what use are they? Now we have an entire generation that "fucking love Science" because some TV stars said we're made of starstuff and the Matrix is real.

pharrington 6y ago

"Deliberately misleading"? In this case the journalists are literally copying the terms the cosmologists are using. From the preprint - "The South Pole Wall rivals the Sloan Great Wall in extent, at a distance a factor two closer. The iconic structures that have transformed our understanding of large scale structure have come from the observed distribution of galaxies assembled from redshift surveys: the Perseus−Pisces filament (Giovanelli & Haynes1982), the CfA Great Wall (de Lapparent et al.1986), the Sloan Great Wall (Gott et al. 2005)"

kosievdmerwe 6y ago
The point of a science article like this is for the journalist to act as an intermediate between the scientists and the public. Their job is to communicate an understanding to the lay public using familiar terms and concepts. To let the public learn some part of the wonder of the universe and to let them appreciate the work the scientists did. To do this you have to focus on communicating understanding rather than pure technical accuracy.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  The problem is the split in responsibilities. In many news organizations the article and the title are written by different people, and often one article will go through a few titles if necessary. The article is ideally written for understanding, but the title is written to draw in clicks. This split goal results in some really unfortunate titles, even if the article is well written by someone acting in good faith.
P4wl0w 6y ago
Since when does the job of a journalist not demand him to think on his own before copying headlines? If journalists behave this way they can be used by anyone to spread their message unfiltered. This is not what I expect of quality journalism and I will not ever pay for such a careless "work". Copying headlines can be done by machines more efficiently.