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Sounds obsessive, and maybe even a ADA violations here if due to a learning disability. Reminds me of that one judge that was doing that cash for kids scandal.

by Keverw 6y ago

Sounds obsessive, and maybe even a ADA violations here if due to a learning disability. Reminds me of that one judge that was doing that cash for kids scandal. However sounds like Michigan is a police state right now, like for example it's illegal to even buy seeds to garden in some cases, like if you wanted to grow your own corn. A lot of overreach, something to keep in mind if you were planning on moving.

boring_twenties 6y ago
> it's illegal right now to even buy seeds to garden. Say what? Why?
- Keverw 6y ago
  Due to COVID... So Garden centers closed, but even big box stores like Walmart put caution tape over the seed section... Can still buy alcohol and lotto tickets though... Did a search and found an image: https://twitter.com/joesichspach/status/1248653376931258370 https://twitter.com/joesichspach/status/1248653376931258370
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    So I assumed this was fake news until I looked it up. Section 11.d.2.c of the executive order https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525182--,00.html https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52... >Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:... Garden centers and plant nurseries. Also, I find it terrifying that politifact and numerous other websites claim that this was false.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> like for example it's illegal right now to even buy seeds to garden No, it's not. In person sales of certain supplies in certain kinds of stores are prohibited. The general ban is political misinformation (which is apparently still circulating months after being both initially promoted and debunked.) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/14/fact-check-michigans-gretchen-whitmer-didnt-ban-flag-plant-sales/2990476001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/14/fac...
- Keverw 6y ago
  Interesting, didn't see that article. I remember seeing a lot of people post about Michigan back when the lockdowns started. Seems like even the non-local nationwide media was attacking the governor there for some of the things she did. However it kinda seems strange they'd apply it to a big box stores only... I know some people wrote comments saying they'd grab the seeds anyways and just use the self checkout - unless they put the effort into making it error out if you did so... > The limits apply only to in-person sales and do not apply to stores with less than 50,000 square feet. So a smaller store it's ok? I figured a huge box store like Walmart would be better since larger space probably has more ventilation... But I was wonder the impression the small garden centers closed from what I seen in the media and online. I guess online is always an option but I know some older people or the unbanked is probably left out. Then some garden centers sell plants already started for you too. Just still seems a little illogical to me.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  I think it is interesting how much disagreement and misinformation there is on even such a simple and verifiable fact. Neither side is presenting the issue accurately. The governor did ban the sale of gardening supplies supplies by stores over 50,000 sqft which were allowed to stay open and sell other goods. Both sides are intentionally misrepresenting reality. One side posts about the ban but conveniently omitted that it was not a complete ban. The other side refutes the implicit claim of a general ban, and fails to acknowledge the incomplete ban. It is really scary how twisted the media presentation of simple facts has become. For example, Politifact states: >In reality, executive order 2020-42, which went into effect April 9, 2020, requires larger stores to block off certain areas of their sales floors as a way of limiting the number of people in those stores. The order does not ban gardening or the sale of any product, including, as we mentioned in a previous fact-check, American flags. Section 11.d.2.c of the executive order https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52.. https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52.... >Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:... Garden centers and plant nurseries.

by Keverw 6y ago

boring_twenties 6y ago

> it's illegal right now to even buy seeds to garden. Say what? Why?

Keverw 6y ago
Due to COVID... So Garden centers closed, but even big box stores like Walmart put caution tape over the seed section... Can still buy alcohol and lotto tickets though... Did a search and found an image: https://twitter.com/joesichspach/status/1248653376931258370 https://twitter.com/joesichspach/status/1248653376931258370
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  So I assumed this was fake news until I looked it up. Section 11.d.2.c of the executive order https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525182--,00.html https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52... >Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:... Garden centers and plant nurseries. Also, I find it terrifying that politifact and numerous other websites claim that this was false.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> like for example it's illegal right now to even buy seeds to garden No, it's not. In person sales of certain supplies in certain kinds of stores are prohibited. The general ban is political misinformation (which is apparently still circulating months after being both initially promoted and debunked.) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/14/fact-check-michigans-gretchen-whitmer-didnt-ban-flag-plant-sales/2990476001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/14/fac...

Keverw 6y ago
Interesting, didn't see that article. I remember seeing a lot of people post about Michigan back when the lockdowns started. Seems like even the non-local nationwide media was attacking the governor there for some of the things she did. However it kinda seems strange they'd apply it to a big box stores only... I know some people wrote comments saying they'd grab the seeds anyways and just use the self checkout - unless they put the effort into making it error out if you did so... > The limits apply only to in-person sales and do not apply to stores with less than 50,000 square feet. So a smaller store it's ok? I figured a huge box store like Walmart would be better since larger space probably has more ventilation... But I was wonder the impression the small garden centers closed from what I seen in the media and online. I guess online is always an option but I know some older people or the unbanked is probably left out. Then some garden centers sell plants already started for you too. Just still seems a little illogical to me.
s1artibartfast 6y ago
I think it is interesting how much disagreement and misinformation there is on even such a simple and verifiable fact. Neither side is presenting the issue accurately. The governor did ban the sale of gardening supplies supplies by stores over 50,000 sqft which were allowed to stay open and sell other goods. Both sides are intentionally misrepresenting reality. One side posts about the ban but conveniently omitted that it was not a complete ban. The other side refutes the implicit claim of a general ban, and fails to acknowledge the incomplete ban. It is really scary how twisted the media presentation of simple facts has become. For example, Politifact states: >In reality, executive order 2020-42, which went into effect April 9, 2020, requires larger stores to block off certain areas of their sales floors as a way of limiting the number of people in those stores. The order does not ban gardening or the sale of any product, including, as we mentioned in a previous fact-check, American flags. Section 11.d.2.c of the executive order https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52.. https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-52.... >Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:... Garden centers and plant nurseries.