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We know that he's had this "language" since he was a child so I'm going to go out on a limb here (and introduce no small measure of my own bias) and guess its n
by noonespecial 16y ago
We know that he's had this "language" since he was a child so I'm going to go out on a limb here (and introduce no small measure of my own bias) and guess its not a cerebral cipher that will easily be unraveled by simple frequency of note correlation.
I've likely got a touch of Asperger's myself and I know I have a bigger touch of synesthesia. I remember vividly during my childhood certain words being an explosion of color and texture and even having under-tones of other unrelated sounds. Even today I've got my own little "esperanto" in my mind for words and concepts that don't feel right in normal language. I use them on occasion on my unfortunate family, although its tough to say "oranger than orange with a texture like crumpled sandpaper and snow" succinctly.
Is there a way to just output the letters as a stream of phonyms? I tried "say" at the command prompt but this ends up reading the names of the letters and not their sounds. I'm going to guess this "code" is a stream-of-consciousness type thing and would be very interested in hearing it slurred out fast as basic sound.
- thinkalone 16y ago> Is there a way to just output the letters as a stream of phonyms? After noticing the frequency of NCBE, I focused on these three lines from the first document: (FLRSE PRSE ONDE 71 NCBE) (CDNSE PRSE ONS*E 74 NCBE) (PR+SE PRSE ONREDE 75 NCBE) They seem pronounceable in a sort of pig-latin style - "Flur-say pur-say ohn-day 71 nick-bay" > although its tough to say "oranger than orange with a texture like crumpled sandpaper and snow" succinctly. As a side-note, do you know of any books/novels that authentically explore with that kind of language and method of internally expressing concepts? I think it's interesting to learn how people interpret the world.
- noonespecial 16y agoI lit on that too. I find myself adding syllables and sounds to words in my mind all the time to "smooth their edges". Some words just don't fit together without "help". I thought maybe "Firse Perse On de 71 Nice be" I'm perusing the thought that maybe he's taking notes on how people treated him or something.
- thinkalone 16y agoYeah, I think it is more phonetic shorthand than any kind of cypher. Unfortunately, it's a long shot that we'll be able to get any insight into it without knowing more about the victim's personal characteristics or habits.
- Shibalba 16y agoare there any freeways around st louis that would go along with these numbers? If he is street smart, and the family said that in 1999....maybe is was homeless, but creative at getting what he needs.
- Shibalba 16y agoI blew up the docs and printed em....kinda helps....im gonna search for info on this guy.
- jaredmck 16y ago71,74,75 are all interstates in/around Cincinnati
- Shibalba 16y agoAHA!....i think he was going around and looking at cars on the sheet that says NOTES, that would explain the reccurences and the circling, he was keeping the vehicles separated.....he went to go see a car and got murdered by the owner?? oh yeah i live in SOCAL, so the freeway thing was a longshot....i also believe that this man has Aspergers and Dyslexia....but they balled up his symptoms as Aspergers. One word keeps calling to me .... PSESHLE....take the first three letters PSE change them to SPE and add SHLE SPESHLE....this guy had the basics, mixed with his own different thinking style.
- noahc 16y agoSomeone further down suggested that 71,74,75 might be a combination to a padlock. I think in any case this points to it being directions of some sort. PRSE is probably a verb of some sort if those are infact directions.
- Shibalba 16y agoI think pad locks only go up to 35?
- lewcifer 16y agoAs a lifelong St. Louisan, there are lots of drug problems north of St. Louis, which is where his body was found. And, basically any place across the river into IL is pretty nasty and full of hookers and crack. You have to drive a long way to get to civilization like the suburbs of Chicago. So, if I had to throw a guess out there about some random numbers that a dead guy was writing, I'm going to go with drug related in some way. Addresses, measurements, dollar amounts, something like that And, none of the numbers have any relationship to highways or streets in the area. But, there's a house with the address of 194 Orchard Drive and it happens to be located near highway 367 in between Alton and St. Louis, which is the only description of the location of the body that I've been able to find. Also, the house was sold in early 2000, six months after the body was found. It's all grasping at straws because, let's face it, random ciphers don't get you anything. You have to know more about the person than the FBI has said. It would help if they told us whether he was a known drug user, pimp, gang banger, or even an avid churchgoer, anything would be better than what they've done which is, "Here's this random string of letters and numbers with no context. Tell me what they mean."
- lewcifer 16y agoOr, Jesus, even how he died. I never saw anything about what actually killed him. A tap to the back of the head? Strangulation? The FBI is not being very smart if they actually want information from the public.
- jcsoup 16y agoWhat is really odd is that the FBI is handling this case. What made this a Federal case?
- Backdraft4837 16y agoWell over half the time E is used it is preceded by the letter S. It seems E is only used with very few letter preceding it. BE, LE, RE, TE and SE
- fragarach 16y agonot a reply. but at the bottom p1 (194 wld's ncbe) (194 countrys of the world map.) 194 recognized countrys in the new world order. dec 71 UN meeting investigate. sep 74 UN meeting investigate. re dec UN meeting investigate. E is used as a statement ending. its not code but personalized info. also look up compounding intrest and sinking bonds. 99.84.8 is a intrest table rate at 7%. 99.84% at 8 years
- jcsoup 16y agoInteresting. I was looking at the letter strings as possible penny stock symbols
- oidipusss 16y agocan there be an connection between "194 WLD'S" and McCormick adress at 194 Orchard Dr, Belleville. At the corner with "West Blvd"
- jcsoup 16y agoInteresting. I was looking at the letter strings as possible penny stock symbols
- GeoffreyC 16y ago99.84.5.2 is IP for SBC
- levanoff 16y agonot a reply but NCBE appears at least 11 times: National Conference of Bar Examiners
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- photographerbyd 16y agoI found it quite hard to decipher the original images the FBI provided.. So I pulled them into Photoshop converted them to Grey-scale and ran them through a Genuine Fractals routine and mathematically increased the resolution by 700% without losing any image quality, then I filtered them 3 times with some unsharp masking, to bring out some hidden details, finally I inverted the colors which makes several characters that were unrecognizable before appear.. especially on the 2nd page where the smudging is. The files are 8 mb in size and I have it in both regular and inverted format. Inverted View http://www.mediafire.com/i/?f5zukpyfsjdct5s http://www.mediafire.com/i/?f5zukpyfsjdct5s Enlarged Regular View http://www.mediafire.com/i/?84z1owcxf52ktmc http://www.mediafire.com/i/?84z1owcxf52ktmc
- thinkalone 16y agoPretty cool - it definitely helps to read things better, although it actually resulted in me removing more characters from my transcription! After seeing them more clearly, I was less confident to make a judgment on which letter they may be. I'll include my transcription below. I've marked questionable characters with an asterisk, and the circled sections are enclosed in square brackets: Document 1 - P1 (MND MK NE* RSE-N-S-*-KNARE) (ACSM) *TFRNE NP*NSE NPBSE RCBBNSE NPRSE 1NC PRSE NM*SE *PREHLD WLDNCBE(TFXL* TCXL NCBE) AL-*RPPIT XLYPPIY NCBE M*KSEWCD RCBR NSE PRSE WLDRCBRNSE NT **NE*T*SE-CRSLE-CITRSE WLDNCBE ALWCPNCBETSME LRSE RLSE UR GLSNE AS N WLDNCBE (NOPFSE NLSRE NCBE) NTE GDDMNSENCURERCBRNE (TENE TFRNE NCBRTSENCBE 1NC) (FLRSE PRSE ONDE 71 NCBE) (CDNSE PRSE ONS*E 74 NCBE) (PR+SE PRSE ONREDE 75 NCBE) (TF N*CMSP SOLE MRDE LUSE TOTE WLD*WLDNCBE) (194 WLD'S NCBE)(TRFXL) Document 2 - NOTES [ ALPNTE GLSE-SE ER+E YLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE PNRTRSE ONPRSE WLD NCBE N WLD XLRCMSP NEWLD STS MEXL *ULMT * TUNSE NCBE ** ] [ (M*NSA*STEN MUNARSE) KLSE-LRSTE-TR SE-TRSE-M*SE *-MRSE (SAE*NSE SE N MRCE) ] [ NMNRCBRNSE PTE 2PTE WSR*B**** 36 MLSE 74SPRKS E 29KE NO*OLE 175 R*RSE 35 SLE CLGSE *UNUT*E *KRSE PSESHLE 651 MTCSE HTLSE NCUTCTRS NMRE 99.84.5 *UNEPLSE NCRSE AO*TSE N S*SE N* SE N5REONSE PVTSE WLD NCBE (JXOR*) ] [ *NMSE NRSE 1N2 NTRCE RCB*NSE NTSRCR*N LSPNSE N GSPSE MKSE R BSE N CBE *XL*R HM CRE N MRE NCBE 1/2 MUN D DLSE ] [ D-W-M14 *PL X*RLX ]
- urbanblister 16y agohttp://www.stltoday.com/news/article_60dc223e-5b1b-11e0-9833-0017a4a78c22.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/article_60dc223e-5b1b-11e0-9833... http://www.stltoday.com/news/article_bcc02074-5b1a-11e0-b199-0017a4a78c22.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/article_bcc02074-5b1a-11e0-b199... news stories about Ricky McCormick printed at time of discovery
- MESMITH 16y agoI think You are all digging into this a little too Deep. Though We know little about this Fellow, We do know He was a High School drop out turned Bum. Again, I think "penny stock symbols", "compounding intrest and sinking bonds", "new world order conspiracy theories", and even simple mathematical algorithms can be ruled out here. I'll have to agree with the "pig-latin style""phonetic shorthand" idea.
- patbob 16y agoLooks to me like it might be a mnemonic text compression scheme, not encrypted text. I've known one person who used pictograms as mnemonic memory aids. I think this man was using the first letter of words as mneumonic aids to each word in his note. Therefore, each letter has a context sensitive meaning that reminded him of the text of his note. However, don't assume he could spell -- he may have heard the wrong sounds for the beginning of words and therefore may misspell even the first letters of a word. While most people get at least the first letter of a word correct, I know a few who that seem to have an auditory equivalent of dyslexia and make mistakes there too. In that vein, the key will be the numbers and related letters around them, especially the repeated ones. The numbers are likely not encoded since the meaning of the rest of the text is obscure. For example, "E 71" "E 74" and "E 75" on page 1 might mean Interstate (or "Enterstate") 71, 74 & 75. Then the trailing "NCBE" could mean "nice camping by interstate (enterstate)" or "no collecting by exit" or, well, practically anything. Without knowing a lot more about the man and his life, it would be impossible to even begin to guess. Final insight. Page 1 is organized and formatted nicely, and appears like it might have been done on lined paper. It is probably a copy of some original notes about things important for him to remember. If this is really a mnemonic compression scheme, then this page will be the rosetta stone. It would be interesting to know whatever became of page(s) 2 and later of his transcribed notes (nobody denotes a page as page 1 unless there's more than one page). The notes page is more haphazard, with groups circled. It was probably the notes he was taking that day, or at least the notes he hadn't spent time to transcribe yet. One of the last notes was probably why he was killed, although its doubtful any of them are notes about killer -- they're probably about something completely unrelated and he was just unfortunate enough to be seen taking notes while looking at something in the wrong direction. I hope they catch the murderer someday.
- patbob 16y agoLooks to me like it might be a mnemonic text compression scheme, not encrypted text. I've known one person who used pictographs as mnemonic memory aids. I think this man was using the first letter of words as mnemonic aids to each word in his note. Therefore, each letter has a context sensitive meaning that reminded him of the text of his note. However, don't assume he could spell -- he may have heard the wrong sounds for the beginning of words and therefore may misspell even the first letters of a word. While most people get at least the first letter of a word correct, I know a few who that seem to have an auditory equivalent of dyslexia and make mistakes there too. In that vein, the key will be the numbers and related letters around them, especially the repeated ones. The numbers are likely not encoded since the meaning of the rest of the text is obscure. For example, "E 71" "E 74" and "E 75" on page 1 might mean Interstate (or "Enterstate") 71, 74 & 75. Then the trailing "NCBE" could mean "nice camping by interstate (enterstate)" or "no collecting by exit" or, well, practically anything. Without knowing a lot more about the man and his life, it would be impossible to even begin to guess. Final insight. Page 1 is organized and formatted nicely, and appears like it might have been done on lined paper. It is probably a copy of some original notes about things important for him to remember. If this is really a mnemonic compression scheme, then this page will be the rosetta stone. It would be interesting to know whatever became of page(s) 2 and later of his transcribed notes (nobody denotes a page as page 1 unless there's more than one page). The notes page is more haphazard, with groups circled. It was probably the notes he was taking that day, or at least the notes he hadn't spent time to transcribe yet. One of the last notes was probably why he was killed, although its doubtful any of them are notes about killer -- they're probably about something completely unrelated and he was just unfortunate enough to be seen taking notes while looking at something in the wrong direction. I hope they catch the murderer someday.
- evergreener1 16y agootfrnen
- jarin 16y agoNo offense, and I think your approach to the cipher sounds like a pretty good one, but why do so many people try to self-diagnose with Asperger's? Pretty sure there are clinically-accepted criteria for it that go beyond "nerdy and slightly awkward".
- noonespecial 16y agoIts a scale. With a bell curve. No one is 0% and no one is 100%. Why do half of people claim to be above average? "Nerdy and slightly awkward" might just mean "a little bit left of the middle". And some are more than others. How far left do I need to be before I get my official merit badge?
- schrototo 16y ago> Why do half of people claim to be above average? Because of illusory superiority. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority)
- noonespecial 16y agoThat would be why more than half of people claim this. I should have said "Why could half of people claim to be above the median." Oh dear. I think I might be below average.
- Shibalba 16y agoBetter than having feeble kids, I guess.
- Klonoar 16y agoTo be fair, I don't believe he outright said his reasoning for being diagnosed, you're just assuming he's taking the label for being "nerdy and slightly awkward", presumably for being on this site. In reality, his comment leaves nothing to indicate that doctors/et al couldn't have indicated that he's borderline over the years.
- tomhmurphy 16y agoCheck out a book called THE PHYSICIANS OF MYDDVAI. New York Public Library 1897: 71073 It is in Google Books. I notice the use of the appostrphys (sp) and certain letter groups appear throughout this book.
- tomhmurphy 16y agoA definition may be an intention, vs an interpretation of phrase. I have not yet dicerned that the note was intended to communicate to anyone but the author, Therefore, is not required to communicate via speach.
- FDSeng 16y agoNCBE like a Place Like National Conference of Bar Examiners. Just i don't know why he want to write (FLRSE PRSE ONDE 71 NCBE) (CDNSE PRSE ONS*E 74 NCBE) (PR+SE PRSE ONREDE 75 NCBE) Just the thing i don't know want the mean of the number... Just like he want to calculate some thing... I don't know...@@
- satellite 16y agoOK i don't know how this may help you when i was a 18 month old kid i was partly stroke by lightning and did not speak until i was 5 and English was not my really first language was speaking Yiddish at the same time when i could talk again at about 5 years of age. i got no special help for a long time if i needed to spell something i just did it so i could understand it, i didn't care if some else could read it. i remember writing person like he did PRES OND AND I'M ALMOST 70 NOW MAYBE HE WAS LIKE ME AND THESE ARE HIS NOTES THERE NOT CODE AT ALL, BUT HOW HE SEES THEM sorry about the upper case i still do it LOL i had to use spell check or you would laugh at me so i was trying to read it like if i was a bad speller and i used to make my own kind of short hand just a try I'm sure I'm off base Gary
- squaredge 16y agoDid you guys miss the zune pulse for 99.84 and the references to xlr (jacks for microphones and speakers).. I don't have time but look at this through the lens of Roadie... are there references to (audio) speakers?