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I know how they feel. I have two cigars a year. Got stressed. Wanted a cigar. Half way through it I thought, “This diseases affects lungs.” Then I put out the c

I know how they feel. I have two cigars a year. Got stressed. Wanted a cigar. Half way through it I thought, “This diseases affects lungs.” Then I put out the cigar and continued my walk.

elorant 6y ago
Cigar smoke isn't meant to be swallowed like in cigarettes. Most people inhale the cigar keep it in their mouth for a few seconds and then exhale. Either way good for you that you quit, even if it's just two cigars a year.
- aksss 6y ago
  Some people inhale, most don't. People shouldn't, but you know an interesting factoid is that the average US woman will consume (eat) 4lbs of lipstick in her lifetime without intentionally doing so. So too, cigar smokers invariably will be inhaling more cigar smoke by virtue of being around it and having it in their mouth than someone not smoking a cigar. Is the amount material to your health? That's the gamble you get to decide on.
  - markrages 6y ago
    > the average US woman will consume (eat) 4lbs of lipstick in her lifetime That is an astonishing amount of lipstick. Do you have a citation for this number?
    - jaquers 6y ago
      https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actually-eat-7-pounds-of-lipstick-in-their-lifetimes/ https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actu... :shrug:
    - GranPC 6y ago
      It doesn't seem to be true. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/smax-factor/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/smax-factor/
    - aksss 6y ago
      Not the greatest, but a quick one: https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actually-eat-7-pounds-of-lipstick-in-their-lifetimes/ https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actu... This article talks about how it's not 7lbs, it's only 3.7 pounds of exposure (risk of ingestion and absorption) based on estimates and shows their math. I'm guilty of forwarding a tenuous idea by repeating the 4 pound statement and not explaining the assumptions, but hell, even if it's 1 pound it's still a hell of a lot more than I ever assumed, though keep in mind it's over a lifetime (seven-eight decades). Point was simply that exposure == some fractional consumption. Smoking a cigar certainly is not healthier for your lungs than abstinence even if you don't deliberately inhale.
      - markrages 6y ago
        That's an upper bound number, relying on some dubious assumptions. Some women don't wear lipstick at all, so by the mean value theorem the average must be less than that number.
      - recursive 6y ago
        > hell, even if it's 1 pound it's still a hell of a lot more than I ever assumed Hell, even if we get a 1% conversion rate, we'll be rich!
      - markrages 6y ago
        I think that the two meanings of consumption, "to use up" and "to eat", are pretty freely conflated in this calculation.
- beering 6y ago
  As someone who doesn't smoke, how is it possible to get the smoke into your mouth but not your lungs? Doesn't inhaling the smoke into your mouth involve your lungs expanding to create the negative pressure difference? That seems like it would suck air into the entire respiratory system.
  - BTinfinity 6y ago
    You draw it into your mouth similar to drawing liquid through a straw; once in your mouth you'd have to actively inhale through your mouth to draw it into your lungs
    - felipemnoa 6y ago
      We are talking about smoke, not liquid. We need to call mythbusters to verify if what you are saying is really true. I just don't see it.
      - mypalmike 6y ago
        Why is it hard to understand? The cavity of your mouth can act as an air bladder independent of the lungs.
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      - function_seven 6y ago
        Smoke, liquid, doesn't matter. The same mechanism applies. You use your cheeks to draw in the smoke.
      - jb775 6y ago
        I smoke cigars occasionally....I don't inhale any smoke. Before puffing I inhale a little air, close my throat, then pull the smoke into my mouth via suction on the cigar, then exhale to blow the smoke out of my mouth. The previous straw analogy is accurate. It's the same effect with water via straw and smoke via cigar.
- aphextron 6y ago
  It's not just the inhalation of smoke into the lungs which causes damage. Nicotine itself causes cardiovascular disease.
  - mtgp1000 6y ago
    There's no proof of that. In fact there's still no proof to my knowledge that nicotine itself is harmful - to the contrary, it may have neuroprotective properties.
    - steffan 6y ago
      > there's still no proof to my knowledge that nicotine itself is harmful Nicotine itself is a deadly poison. MSDS: https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/96314.htm https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/96314.htm "May be fatal if absorbed through the skin"
      - perl4ever 6y ago
        The LD50 in rats for caffeine is < 200mg/kg and this MSDS has a neat skull & crossbones under the words "toxic if swallowed": https://www.fishersci.com/shop/msdsproxy?productName=O1728500 https://www.fishersci.com/shop/msdsproxy?productName=O172850... ...also for reference caffeine seems to be more than an order of magnitude more toxic than pure ethyl alcohol by weight.
- klyrs 6y ago
  > Cigar smoke isn't meant to be swallowed like in cigarettes. But if you're sensitive to nicotine this will get you high in a jiffy. If you like cold sweats, nausea and dizziness, that is... don't judge me. Like GP, this only happens a couple times a year, mostly associated with high stress. And fwiw even "sipping" cigars causes oral cancer. Don't smoke, kids.
- felipemnoa 6y ago
  >>Cigar smoke isn't meant to be swallowed like in cigarettes. Most people inhale the cigar keep it in their mouth for a few seconds and then exhale. So I'm not a smoker, but this is the second time I read/hear something like this. It almost sounds like you are saying that you can keep from inhaling the smoke into your lungs. I don't really buy that. If you inhale, my intuition tells me that it is going straight to your lungs no mater what. Any smokers want to chime in?
  - thoughtpalette 6y ago
    You just kind of pull/draw on the cigar without inhaling to get the smoke in your mouth, then "exhale"/blow it out. You don't really inhale, if you're doing it "right"
  - bladegash 6y ago
    It’s kind of difficult to explain without you doing it yourself. The closest I can think of, is the ability to suck liquid from a straw but hold the liquid in your mouth instead of inhaling and/or swallowing it, I guess.
  - elif 6y ago
    keep your mouth shut and open your jaw all the way. feel that suction? that's the action that pulls smoke through a cigar. Your mouth acts as a sort of lung.
  - mhuffman 6y ago
    You "puff" it, not smoke it. It is akin to taking some water into your mouth through a straw and then spitting it out without swallowing. A lot of cigars have heavy amounts of nicotine to make up for the fact that most cigar smokers (that I know) do not inhale. Same fore pipe smokers usually.
  - elorant 6y ago
    I used to be a smoker and what I previously said holds true both for cigars and pipes. Off course no one's stopping you from swallowing the smoke if you so please, but the way of smoking cigars and pipes is to inhale without swallowing. The reason for doing that is because the amount of smoke produced from one cigar is at least ten times more than from one cigarette so if you swallow it's like smoking a pack of cigarettes. Plus the flavor is much much heavier. As for the technique it's quite easy. Inhale, keep it in your mouth for as long as you please then exhale. Swallowing is a conscious effort so you can easily avoid it. Not that this won't cause you health issues though, from mouth cancers to poorly teeth health and what not.
himinlomax 6y ago
The irony is that smokers appear to be strongly protected from Covid.

I know how they feel. I have two cigars a year. Got stressed. Wanted a cigar. Half way through it I thought, “This diseases affects lungs.” Then I put out the cigar and continued my walk.

elorant 6y ago

Cigar smoke isn't meant to be swallowed like in cigarettes. Most people inhale the cigar keep it in their mouth for a few seconds and then exhale. Either way good for you that you quit, even if it's just two cigars a year.

aksss 6y ago
Some people inhale, most don't. People shouldn't, but you know an interesting factoid is that the average US woman will consume (eat) 4lbs of lipstick in her lifetime without intentionally doing so. So too, cigar smokers invariably will be inhaling more cigar smoke by virtue of being around it and having it in their mouth than someone not smoking a cigar. Is the amount material to your health? That's the gamble you get to decide on.
- markrages 6y ago
  > the average US woman will consume (eat) 4lbs of lipstick in her lifetime That is an astonishing amount of lipstick. Do you have a citation for this number?
  - jaquers 6y ago
    https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actually-eat-7-pounds-of-lipstick-in-their-lifetimes/ https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actu... :shrug:
  - GranPC 6y ago
    It doesn't seem to be true. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/smax-factor/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/smax-factor/
  - aksss 6y ago
    Not the greatest, but a quick one: https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actually-eat-7-pounds-of-lipstick-in-their-lifetimes/ https://www.futurederm.com/beauty-myth-busting-do-women-actu... This article talks about how it's not 7lbs, it's only 3.7 pounds of exposure (risk of ingestion and absorption) based on estimates and shows their math. I'm guilty of forwarding a tenuous idea by repeating the 4 pound statement and not explaining the assumptions, but hell, even if it's 1 pound it's still a hell of a lot more than I ever assumed, though keep in mind it's over a lifetime (seven-eight decades). Point was simply that exposure == some fractional consumption. Smoking a cigar certainly is not healthier for your lungs than abstinence even if you don't deliberately inhale.
    - markrages 6y ago
      That's an upper bound number, relying on some dubious assumptions. Some women don't wear lipstick at all, so by the mean value theorem the average must be less than that number.
    - recursive 6y ago
      > hell, even if it's 1 pound it's still a hell of a lot more than I ever assumed Hell, even if we get a 1% conversion rate, we'll be rich!
    - markrages 6y ago
      I think that the two meanings of consumption, "to use up" and "to eat", are pretty freely conflated in this calculation.
beering 6y ago
As someone who doesn't smoke, how is it possible to get the smoke into your mouth but not your lungs? Doesn't inhaling the smoke into your mouth involve your lungs expanding to create the negative pressure difference? That seems like it would suck air into the entire respiratory system.
- BTinfinity 6y ago
  You draw it into your mouth similar to drawing liquid through a straw; once in your mouth you'd have to actively inhale through your mouth to draw it into your lungs
  - felipemnoa 6y ago
    We are talking about smoke, not liquid. We need to call mythbusters to verify if what you are saying is really true. I just don't see it.
    - mypalmike 6y ago
      Why is it hard to understand? The cavity of your mouth can act as an air bladder independent of the lungs.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
    - function_seven 6y ago
      Smoke, liquid, doesn't matter. The same mechanism applies. You use your cheeks to draw in the smoke.
    - jb775 6y ago
      I smoke cigars occasionally....I don't inhale any smoke. Before puffing I inhale a little air, close my throat, then pull the smoke into my mouth via suction on the cigar, then exhale to blow the smoke out of my mouth. The previous straw analogy is accurate. It's the same effect with water via straw and smoke via cigar.
aphextron 6y ago
It's not just the inhalation of smoke into the lungs which causes damage. Nicotine itself causes cardiovascular disease.
- mtgp1000 6y ago
  There's no proof of that. In fact there's still no proof to my knowledge that nicotine itself is harmful - to the contrary, it may have neuroprotective properties.
  - steffan 6y ago
    > there's still no proof to my knowledge that nicotine itself is harmful Nicotine itself is a deadly poison. MSDS: https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/96314.htm https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/96314.htm "May be fatal if absorbed through the skin"
    - perl4ever 6y ago
      The LD50 in rats for caffeine is < 200mg/kg and this MSDS has a neat skull & crossbones under the words "toxic if swallowed": https://www.fishersci.com/shop/msdsproxy?productName=O1728500 https://www.fishersci.com/shop/msdsproxy?productName=O172850... ...also for reference caffeine seems to be more than an order of magnitude more toxic than pure ethyl alcohol by weight.
klyrs 6y ago
> Cigar smoke isn't meant to be swallowed like in cigarettes. But if you're sensitive to nicotine this will get you high in a jiffy. If you like cold sweats, nausea and dizziness, that is... don't judge me. Like GP, this only happens a couple times a year, mostly associated with high stress. And fwiw even "sipping" cigars causes oral cancer. Don't smoke, kids.
felipemnoa 6y ago
>>Cigar smoke isn't meant to be swallowed like in cigarettes. Most people inhale the cigar keep it in their mouth for a few seconds and then exhale. So I'm not a smoker, but this is the second time I read/hear something like this. It almost sounds like you are saying that you can keep from inhaling the smoke into your lungs. I don't really buy that. If you inhale, my intuition tells me that it is going straight to your lungs no mater what. Any smokers want to chime in?
- thoughtpalette 6y ago
  You just kind of pull/draw on the cigar without inhaling to get the smoke in your mouth, then "exhale"/blow it out. You don't really inhale, if you're doing it "right"
- bladegash 6y ago
  It’s kind of difficult to explain without you doing it yourself. The closest I can think of, is the ability to suck liquid from a straw but hold the liquid in your mouth instead of inhaling and/or swallowing it, I guess.
- elif 6y ago
  keep your mouth shut and open your jaw all the way. feel that suction? that's the action that pulls smoke through a cigar. Your mouth acts as a sort of lung.
- mhuffman 6y ago
  You "puff" it, not smoke it. It is akin to taking some water into your mouth through a straw and then spitting it out without swallowing. A lot of cigars have heavy amounts of nicotine to make up for the fact that most cigar smokers (that I know) do not inhale. Same fore pipe smokers usually.
- elorant 6y ago
  I used to be a smoker and what I previously said holds true both for cigars and pipes. Off course no one's stopping you from swallowing the smoke if you so please, but the way of smoking cigars and pipes is to inhale without swallowing. The reason for doing that is because the amount of smoke produced from one cigar is at least ten times more than from one cigarette so if you swallow it's like smoking a pack of cigarettes. Plus the flavor is much much heavier. As for the technique it's quite easy. Inhale, keep it in your mouth for as long as you please then exhale. Swallowing is a conscious effort so you can easily avoid it. Not that this won't cause you health issues though, from mouth cancers to poorly teeth health and what not.

himinlomax 6y ago

The irony is that smokers appear to be strongly protected from Covid.