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> He has fired people over twitter [0] All we have here is an announcement. Seriously doubt this was the "official" firing, hiring or promoting of anyone. The

by Alupis 6y ago

> He has fired people over twitter [0] All we have here is an announcement. Seriously doubt this was the "official" firing, hiring or promoting of anyone. The statement in the article isn't even from Tillerson, so we don't really know. > Other nations are not going to read the US law first before deciding if the declaration was or not real There's a lot more formality to declaring war, for any nation. Not to mention the lack of anything else to support such a statement, like an actual press conference or public statements, media attention or, you know, actual military movement which all capable nations track constantly.

jacquesm 6y ago
You again? Please stop with the Trump apologism already, we have a trade war that was mostly conducted via twitter, people heard via twitter that their services were no longer required, the whole Mexican affair was conducted via the phone and when that didn't work out led to a slew of angry tweets. There is definitely precedent enough that if Trump's twitter account would speak the right magic words that you can expect a reaction. "Dear Twitter Followers, It is with grave heart that I have to ask you to do the right thing for your country, go out and do something about - insert bogeyman of the hour here - and I will be sure to reward you greatly. The time has come to do your part. I personally promise to pardon anybody that ends up on the wrong side of what today still is the law. Let's take this country and make it even greater." That's just a two minute sample, give me an hour or so and I'll come up with something much worse than that. These things are easier to start than to stop.
- Alupis 6y ago
  I think you read far too deep into things you don't like, and try to find something to be upset about. It's kind of the national pastime these days, it seems. No nation is going to start killing people because of a Tweet. Be realistic. It detracts from your otherwise valid points when paranoia and blind hatred overshadow your arguments. The number of posts you've made about the leader of a foreign nation is astonishing. Are there zero domestic problems to be fired up about? > You again? I guess I could say the same. Touché.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    There is nothing blind about it, I've been following this closely for 3+ years and you have to be absolutely blind to still think this is all business as usual. Your country is being wrecked, make no mistake about it. A direct line from an unstable leader to a 40% fraction of the population in a country rife with weapons is a potential disaster.
    - Alupis 6y ago
      Sorry, but you don't have the actual insight necessary to understand the complicated local politics of a foreign country. I understand it's become some sort of sport... but it's quite unproductive since you cannot possibly be expected to fully understand all the intricacies of foreign politics. Heck, citizens born and raised in this country have a hard enough time understanding it all too. I think we should leave it at that. Nobody here criticized the leaders of your nation, because we would not be qualified to pass judgement on foreign politics. Neither are you.
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        > Sorry, but you don't have the actual insight necessary to understand the complicated local politics of a foreign country. I've lived in Canada and the United States, I ran a business there and I have more American friends than European ones. I think I'm perfectly capable of understanding American politics. Likely I know more about your political system and it's idiosyncrasies as well as how the legal system works than a large number of Americans. You're more than welcome to criticize the leaders of my nation with cause. But you likely won't even know their names.
        Alupis 6y ago
        > I think I'm perfectly capable of understanding American politics You're making wild assertions based on supposition and nothing else. Worse, you're using deliberately spun articles to support your nonfactual assertions. You're getting all worked up about leaders of a foreign nation, that literally have nothing to do with you or have any impact on you. Trump said mean stuff on Twitter so people thousands of miles away should engage? > You're more than welcome to criticize the leaders of my nation with cause. But you likely won't even know their names. No I don't, and I don't care. How your nation governs itself is your nation's business, and the entire point I'm making. It's OK to ask questions, or wonder aloud... but to pretend to have a deep understanding and an authoritative judgement on foreign affairs, based on clearly biased opinions disguised as facts is simply unbecoming and devastatingly unproductive. What you are engaging in is sport... not a civil discourse.
- wyoh 6y ago
  You people really don't know Trump and his supporters.

by Alupis 6y ago

jacquesm 6y ago

You again? Please stop with the Trump apologism already, we have a trade war that was mostly conducted via twitter, people heard via twitter that their services were no longer required, the whole Mexican affair was conducted via the phone and when that didn't work out led to a slew of angry tweets. There is definitely precedent enough that if Trump's twitter account would speak the right magic words that you can expect a reaction. "Dear Twitter Followers, It is with grave heart that I have to ask you to do the right thing for your country, go out and do something about - insert bogeyman of the hour here - and I will be sure to reward you greatly. The time has come to do your part. I personally promise to pardon anybody that ends up on the wrong side of what today still is the law. Let's take this country and make it even greater." That's just a two minute sample, give me an hour or so and I'll come up with something much worse than that. These things are easier to start than to stop.

Alupis 6y ago
I think you read far too deep into things you don't like, and try to find something to be upset about. It's kind of the national pastime these days, it seems. No nation is going to start killing people because of a Tweet. Be realistic. It detracts from your otherwise valid points when paranoia and blind hatred overshadow your arguments. The number of posts you've made about the leader of a foreign nation is astonishing. Are there zero domestic problems to be fired up about? > You again? I guess I could say the same. Touché.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  There is nothing blind about it, I've been following this closely for 3+ years and you have to be absolutely blind to still think this is all business as usual. Your country is being wrecked, make no mistake about it. A direct line from an unstable leader to a 40% fraction of the population in a country rife with weapons is a potential disaster.
  - Alupis 6y ago
    Sorry, but you don't have the actual insight necessary to understand the complicated local politics of a foreign country. I understand it's become some sort of sport... but it's quite unproductive since you cannot possibly be expected to fully understand all the intricacies of foreign politics. Heck, citizens born and raised in this country have a hard enough time understanding it all too. I think we should leave it at that. Nobody here criticized the leaders of your nation, because we would not be qualified to pass judgement on foreign politics. Neither are you.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      > Sorry, but you don't have the actual insight necessary to understand the complicated local politics of a foreign country. I've lived in Canada and the United States, I ran a business there and I have more American friends than European ones. I think I'm perfectly capable of understanding American politics. Likely I know more about your political system and it's idiosyncrasies as well as how the legal system works than a large number of Americans. You're more than welcome to criticize the leaders of my nation with cause. But you likely won't even know their names.
      - Alupis 6y ago
        > I think I'm perfectly capable of understanding American politics You're making wild assertions based on supposition and nothing else. Worse, you're using deliberately spun articles to support your nonfactual assertions. You're getting all worked up about leaders of a foreign nation, that literally have nothing to do with you or have any impact on you. Trump said mean stuff on Twitter so people thousands of miles away should engage? > You're more than welcome to criticize the leaders of my nation with cause. But you likely won't even know their names. No I don't, and I don't care. How your nation governs itself is your nation's business, and the entire point I'm making. It's OK to ask questions, or wonder aloud... but to pretend to have a deep understanding and an authoritative judgement on foreign affairs, based on clearly biased opinions disguised as facts is simply unbecoming and devastatingly unproductive. What you are engaging in is sport... not a civil discourse.
wyoh 6y ago
You people really don't know Trump and his supporters.