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Andrew Cuomo sent around 5,000 non-critical COVID-19 patients into nursing homes entirely because of fear that healthcare systems would be overwhelmed. The fear

Andrew Cuomo sent around 5,000 non-critical COVID-19 patients into nursing homes entirely because of fear that healthcare systems would be overwhelmed. The fear was unjustified: During the same time period the Javits Center, the USS Mercy, and at least four leased hotels sat practically empty: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/04/14/with-empty-beds-at-the-javits-center-and-on-the-comfort-uniformed-health-workers-are-going-straight-into-nyc-hospitals/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/04/14/... https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/nyc-hotels-meant-for-recovering-coronavirus-patients-nearly-empty/ https://nypost.com/2020/05/02/nyc-hotels-meant-for-recoverin... https://www.amny.com/coronavirus/brooklyn-field-hospital-shuts-after-21-million-construction-and-zero-patients/ https://www.amny.com/coronavirus/brooklyn-field-hospital-shu... I agree that ICU capacity, PPE inventory, and non-infected personnel were all in short supply at times and in places, but it's not such a simple conclusion as you claim. Consider that early venting seems to have been a terrible blunder, which also used up valuable ICU capacity: https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s13613-020-00692-6 https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1...

dragonwriter 6y ago
> During the same time period the Javits Center, the USS Mercy, and at least four leased hotels sat practically empty. The USNS Mercy was sent to Los Angeles, you probably mean to refer to USNS Comfort which was in New York. But both Mercy and Comfort were offered by the Feds for non-COVID-19 patients only.
- guscost 6y ago
  Right, thanks. How about the leased hotels? The field hospital in Brooklyn? The Javits Center? Why were patients sent to NURSING HOMES before any of these? The same question can be asked about the Comfort of course, but I guess we can shift responsibility to the Feds for that fuck-up.
- CWuestefeld 6y ago
  But both Mercy and Comfort were offered by the Feds for non-COVID-19 patients only. That doesn't affect the argument. The fact is that the other facilities were able to handle the total of "normal" patients as well as COVID-19 patients. The entire set of patients did not get to a size sufficient to need those boats.
arrrg 6y ago
New York was locally overwhelmed but it is true that they weren’t completely overwhelmed. Maybe a couple centimeters under water. This is obviously due to the absolutely massive measures they took. They managed to put on the breaks just on time. Italy was maybe a couple centimeters more under water but also not totally overwhelmed. But Italy actually had to ban people from going outside (with tight exceptions) to achieve that which is nuts. If you were testing more and catching it earlier you could get there with much milder measures (e.g. in Germany) and hospitals that came never close to being overwhelmed, as in Germany. I don’t get you non-sequitur about people in nursing homes. How am I supposed to respond to that? Yeah, that‘s stupid? Because it is?
- __blockcipher__ 6y ago
  > This is obviously due to the absolutely massive measures they took. They managed to put on the breaks just on time. This is not self-evident. Most evidence seems to show that lockdowns didn't start till after the peak anyway.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> During the same time period the Javits Center, the USS Mercy, and at least four leased hotels sat practically empty. The USNS Mercy was sent to Los Angeles, you probably mean to refer to USNS Comfort which was in New York. But both Mercy and Comfort were offered by the Feds for non-COVID-19 patients only.

guscost 6y ago
Right, thanks. How about the leased hotels? The field hospital in Brooklyn? The Javits Center? Why were patients sent to NURSING HOMES before any of these? The same question can be asked about the Comfort of course, but I guess we can shift responsibility to the Feds for that fuck-up.
CWuestefeld 6y ago
But both Mercy and Comfort were offered by the Feds for non-COVID-19 patients only. That doesn't affect the argument. The fact is that the other facilities were able to handle the total of "normal" patients as well as COVID-19 patients. The entire set of patients did not get to a size sufficient to need those boats.

arrrg 6y ago

New York was locally overwhelmed but it is true that they weren’t completely overwhelmed. Maybe a couple centimeters under water. This is obviously due to the absolutely massive measures they took. They managed to put on the breaks just on time. Italy was maybe a couple centimeters more under water but also not totally overwhelmed. But Italy actually had to ban people from going outside (with tight exceptions) to achieve that which is nuts. If you were testing more and catching it earlier you could get there with much milder measures (e.g. in Germany) and hospitals that came never close to being overwhelmed, as in Germany. I don’t get you non-sequitur about people in nursing homes. How am I supposed to respond to that? Yeah, that‘s stupid? Because it is?

__blockcipher__ 6y ago
> This is obviously due to the absolutely massive measures they took. They managed to put on the breaks just on time. This is not self-evident. Most evidence seems to show that lockdowns didn't start till after the peak anyway.