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> If somebody incurs damage to government property There has been so much argument on the lines of "It's just property." I guess "They're just laws," as if th
by djsumdog 6y ago
> If somebody incurs damage to government property
There has been so much argument on the lines of "It's just property."
I guess "They're just laws," as if they don't mean anything; as if laws were not the way we evolved socially to protect individuals from other individuals who wanted to cause harm.
She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. It's literally destruction. Saying "oh, it's a thing and not a person" doesn't hold a candle stick to the fact that it is still literally violence!
Words are literally not violence. Speech is literally not violence. Silence is literally not violence.
Setting things on fire, that you don't own, destructively, is violence. I can't believe 2020 is the year in which we have no idea what terms like "violence" and "non-violence" have literally meant for decades if not centuries.
Orwell had a term for this. It was called Double-Think.
- throwaway-92831 6y ago> She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. Not only that - there were four people inside the van and she aimed the explosive at the window in an obvious attempt to set fire to the passengers. Lots of mental gymnastics required to believe this wasn't attempted murder.
- pmiller2 6y agoWhy are you afraid to say that with your real account?
- throwaway-92831 6y agoBecause I'm on my work computer and my personal account is in "noprocrastination" mode. Chill out.
- pmiller2 6y agoMaybe you should wait until after work, rather than hiding behind a throwaway: > Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway-92831 6y ago> please don't create accounts routinely This is the first time I've ever created a throwaway. This is a flagged article anyways so who cares at this point.
- pmiller2 6y agoYou just showed me you care. Except you don't care about the community, because you hide behind a throwaway.
- throwaway-92831 6y agoYou are cussing me out in another comment, so you also don't seem to care about the community much. I wasn't hiding. But I'm definitely not revealing who I am now because you are hostile and unhinged.
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- pmiller2 6y agoI'm unhinged, when you come in with a throwaway and accuse people of mental gymnastics for ignoring details that literally aren't available to them? And, using the word "fucking" for emphasis is not "cussing you out." 10.00!
- pmiller2 6y agoYou know nobody in this thread has any fucking idea what you're talking about, right? There is no video of the referenced incident that's been posted here or in the linked article. I give you a 10.00 for your mental gymnastics routine.
- throwaway-92831 6y agoThought we were talking about the much publicized incident in NYC. Looks like we weren't. MY BAD. I agree that the police use excessive force way too much and are sadly allowed to get away with it. We definitely agree there. But I do draw the line at arsonists in the act. That's the kind of "property damage" that can quickly turn into "mass murder" with a shift in the breeze.
- pmiller2 6y agoPerhaps you should read more carefully before you comment.
- pmiller2 6y agoYou are confused. A car doesn't feel pain. Unnecessary violence against humans is worse than unnecessary violence against property.
- refurb 6y agoThat logic makes no sense. So if a group decided to plan explosives and demolish a empty government building, you'd be like "come on, buildings have no feelings, leave them be"?
- pmiller2 6y agoYou are trolling and putting words in my mouth. I'll not reply to this until you reframe your question.
- djsumdog 6y agoIt's not trolling, because that's EXACTLY what the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) did. They destroyed countless empty buildings. Is eco-terrorism justified if no one dies? What about all the people who loose their jobs? What about all the people that could have died?
- happytoexplain 6y ago>She set a car on fire! That is literally violence. I'm referring to violence against people, not objects. >Words are literally not violence. Speech is literally not violence. Silence is literally not violence. I never said any of this, nor do I generally agree with any of it. >Orwell had a term for this. It was called Double-Think. I think these kinds of extreme us-vs-them strawmen are far more damaging, cruel, and thoughtless than the bad usages of the "it's just property" argument you're referring to are. And to be clear, my entire post was in reference to the specific claim that destroying a police cruiser is automatically grounds for using violence against a person - for all I know about the example in question, her behavior on whole may have warranted the level of violence she received, but it's a ridiculous and anti-human opinion to default to.