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Here's another source (consumer reports) that backs up the idea that Teslas are on the less reliable end: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-makes-big-leap-

Here's another source (consumer reports) that backs up the idea that Teslas are on the less reliable end: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-makes-big-leap-consumer-reports-car-brand-survey-ranking-2020-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-makes-big-leap-consume... My thoughts are that Tesla is a newer company, they are trying things that others aren't, and third, reliability never seemed to be a top goal for them.

DubiousPusher 6y ago
I think it's more that reliability only really comes with maturity as a car company. In the same way that the reliability of a code base increases with maturity. A car is like a code base in that no one person ever fully understands the entire thing.
- tomohawk 6y ago
  I've seen plenty of code bases become less reliable over time. I once took over a project that had been going on for 10+ years. Reliability was terrible. The first thing I did was stop all changes, and only allow critical blockers to be fixed. That eventually made it stable enough to be useful. Reliability takes more that time. It takes competence and attention to detail.
  - DubiousPusher 6y ago
    For sure. Old codebases can be but are not necessarily mature.
  - dingaling 6y ago
    Mature does not imply old; it means feature-stable, proven and understood. An example I know, Canon's pro-level cameras are mature on the day that they go on sale to the public because they have been tested around the world for a year or more to verify and debug the design. That's part of their appeal, users know that they're putting $8000 into a mature camera that will get the job done, though with fewer features and baubles than a Sony.
- xkjkls 6y ago
  Reliability comes from pretty well known manufacturing principles at this point. Things like six sigma, continuous improvement, and the Toyota Production System are taught at every B-school in the country for a reason. Tesla actively flaunts all of these. We shouldn't act like producing cars in a tent will end up with anything better than Ukrainian build quality.
rootusrootus 6y ago
I've always figured the really crappy Model 3 builds were the tent builds. Mine, apparently, was built inside the building and not in the tend, because it's been pretty great.
- xkjkls 6y ago
  Building cars inside a tent proves a lack of commitment to build quality that is going to affect all their cars, not just the tent ones.

DubiousPusher 6y ago

I think it's more that reliability only really comes with maturity as a car company. In the same way that the reliability of a code base increases with maturity. A car is like a code base in that no one person ever fully understands the entire thing.

tomohawk 6y ago
I've seen plenty of code bases become less reliable over time. I once took over a project that had been going on for 10+ years. Reliability was terrible. The first thing I did was stop all changes, and only allow critical blockers to be fixed. That eventually made it stable enough to be useful. Reliability takes more that time. It takes competence and attention to detail.
- DubiousPusher 6y ago
  For sure. Old codebases can be but are not necessarily mature.
- dingaling 6y ago
  Mature does not imply old; it means feature-stable, proven and understood. An example I know, Canon's pro-level cameras are mature on the day that they go on sale to the public because they have been tested around the world for a year or more to verify and debug the design. That's part of their appeal, users know that they're putting $8000 into a mature camera that will get the job done, though with fewer features and baubles than a Sony.
xkjkls 6y ago
Reliability comes from pretty well known manufacturing principles at this point. Things like six sigma, continuous improvement, and the Toyota Production System are taught at every B-school in the country for a reason. Tesla actively flaunts all of these. We shouldn't act like producing cars in a tent will end up with anything better than Ukrainian build quality.

rootusrootus 6y ago

I've always figured the really crappy Model 3 builds were the tent builds. Mine, apparently, was built inside the building and not in the tend, because it's been pretty great.

xkjkls 6y ago
Building cars inside a tent proves a lack of commitment to build quality that is going to affect all their cars, not just the tent ones.