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Why are those “garbage”? It’s true that gay rights have led towards the push for other things like trans rights. And it’s true that liberal media will run front

Why are those “garbage”? It’s true that gay rights have led towards the push for other things like trans rights. And it’s true that liberal media will run front page stories on (relatively rare) police brutality against black people but don’t run stories on (relatively common) black on black violence.

triceratops 6y ago
> It’s true that gay rights have led towards the push for other things like trans rights I fail to see the equivalence between trans rights and "adults marrying children"-rights. What you're saying is closer to "it's true that abolishing slavery has led towards the push for other things like voting rights for everyone". Which is technically true but is also the way things should be going in order to have a more just society. > And it’s true that liberal media will run front page stories on (relatively rare) police brutality against black people but don’t run stories on (relatively common) black on black violence. One is a crime committed by law enforcement. The other is just regular crime. You figure out which one is more newsworthy or in the public interest (not that most media care about the latter). Also if "all lives matter" we shouldn't be talking about "black-on-black" or "x-on-y" crimes. Crimes are crimes and the skin color of the perpetrator or victim is irrelevant (unless it's specifically a hate crime, for which there are legal definitions).
- symlinkk 6y ago
  Wait, you’re giving your opinion as if it’s fact. Some people disagree that trans rights will make society better. And if what you’re saying is true, that these stories are only notable because they involve police brutality, why don’t we get front page news articles when a black cop shoots a black guy? You’re blind if you don’t see that news publishers have an agenda.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > Some people disagree that trans rights will make society better. Trans rights are human rights. > why don’t we get front page news articles when a black cop shoots a black guy? They don't exclusively front-page "white cop shoots black civilian" stories. Here's some prominent counter-examples just off the top of my head. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/07/justine-damond-death-mohamed-noor-minneapolis https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/07/justine-damo... https://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12116288/minnesota-police-shooting-philando-castile-falcon-heights-video https://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12116288/minnesota-police-shoot... (Cop was Latino) News publishers do have an agenda, but it doesn't go too far beyond "get clicks, make money". They publish whatever kinds of stories will get traffic from their readers. And they know the preconceived notions and biases of their readers. News publishing is a tough business these days unfortunately. There are news orgs that do good investigative journalism and uncover important stories but even they need money to survive.
santoshalper 6y ago
I will assume good faith and bite, even though I am skeptical. Because murder for money, passion, etc. is unfortunately extremely common in the US, but abuse of power by civil servants is much more newsworthy, and honestly more disturbing. If the head of the FBI was caught taking bribes from drug dealers, wouldn't that be far more newsworthy than a common drug bust? Of course it would be. Abuse of government power is a real threat to civil society.
- symlinkk 6y ago
  But it was never just about “abuse of power”, the narrative was that “black people are being killed unjustly by police officers”. From the beginning a motto of the protests was “black lives matter”.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > the narrative was that “black people are being killed unjustly by police officers”. And was that narrative false? Or is it a problem because it's "liberal media" that's pushing the narrative? I'm not seeing your actual issue here.

triceratops 6y ago

> It’s true that gay rights have led towards the push for other things like trans rights I fail to see the equivalence between trans rights and "adults marrying children"-rights. What you're saying is closer to "it's true that abolishing slavery has led towards the push for other things like voting rights for everyone". Which is technically true but is also the way things should be going in order to have a more just society. > And it’s true that liberal media will run front page stories on (relatively rare) police brutality against black people but don’t run stories on (relatively common) black on black violence. One is a crime committed by law enforcement. The other is just regular crime. You figure out which one is more newsworthy or in the public interest (not that most media care about the latter). Also if "all lives matter" we shouldn't be talking about "black-on-black" or "x-on-y" crimes. Crimes are crimes and the skin color of the perpetrator or victim is irrelevant (unless it's specifically a hate crime, for which there are legal definitions).

symlinkk 6y ago
Wait, you’re giving your opinion as if it’s fact. Some people disagree that trans rights will make society better. And if what you’re saying is true, that these stories are only notable because they involve police brutality, why don’t we get front page news articles when a black cop shoots a black guy? You’re blind if you don’t see that news publishers have an agenda.
- triceratops 6y ago
  > Some people disagree that trans rights will make society better. Trans rights are human rights. > why don’t we get front page news articles when a black cop shoots a black guy? They don't exclusively front-page "white cop shoots black civilian" stories. Here's some prominent counter-examples just off the top of my head. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/07/justine-damond-death-mohamed-noor-minneapolis https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/07/justine-damo... https://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12116288/minnesota-police-shooting-philando-castile-falcon-heights-video https://www.vox.com/2016/7/7/12116288/minnesota-police-shoot... (Cop was Latino) News publishers do have an agenda, but it doesn't go too far beyond "get clicks, make money". They publish whatever kinds of stories will get traffic from their readers. And they know the preconceived notions and biases of their readers. News publishing is a tough business these days unfortunately. There are news orgs that do good investigative journalism and uncover important stories but even they need money to survive.

santoshalper 6y ago

I will assume good faith and bite, even though I am skeptical. Because murder for money, passion, etc. is unfortunately extremely common in the US, but abuse of power by civil servants is much more newsworthy, and honestly more disturbing. If the head of the FBI was caught taking bribes from drug dealers, wouldn't that be far more newsworthy than a common drug bust? Of course it would be. Abuse of government power is a real threat to civil society.

symlinkk 6y ago
But it was never just about “abuse of power”, the narrative was that “black people are being killed unjustly by police officers”. From the beginning a motto of the protests was “black lives matter”.
- triceratops 6y ago
  > the narrative was that “black people are being killed unjustly by police officers”. And was that narrative false? Or is it a problem because it's "liberal media" that's pushing the narrative? I'm not seeing your actual issue here.