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Interestingly, Paul Graham follows and interacts with @TitaniaMcGrath. This thread is very revealing for the current identity politics: https://twitter.com/Tit

Interestingly, Paul Graham follows and interacts with @TitaniaMcGrath. This thread is very revealing for the current identity politics: https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1281023987242487808 https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/128102398724248780...

honkycat 6y ago
What a weak argument. "Some idiot said something somewhere, that means everyone believes it." If anything that thread illustrates how weak and stupid the "anti-identity politics" arguments are.
- hintymad 6y ago
  Yes, idiots wrote the articles, but it’s not “some idiot said” when so many media took them seriously. Besides, the arguments in those articles are not that different from NYT and WaPo’s attacks on Mount Rushmore, the founding fathers, and historical figures in general.
carapace 6y ago
Maybe stop referencing twitter like it's important or relevant? I rejoined twitter a few months ago, and quit again: it was inciting negative emotions and it felt addictive. The UI made me feel like I was having a mild stroke. It was disorienting. Having bailed on it again, my take is: generally the loudest and most attention-seeking people are the ones on there making the most noise and seeking attention most thirstily. Twitter is part of the problem, IMO.
- hintymad 6y ago
  It’s not about the tweet, but a collection of writeups in media. I was hoping that the so-called elites have some common sense.
  - carapace 6y ago
    > a collection of writeups in media ...listed in a tweet. I block twitter though /etc/hosts so I can't click through to see what you're talking about. My point is, get off Twitter entirely. > I was hoping that the so-called elites have some common sense. I still can't figure out whether the world is run by evil sociopaths or well-meaning idiots, nor which possibility is scarier.
- grugagag 6y ago
  You will surely find a larger percentage of narcissists being very vocal on twitter (but also on other platforms like instagram or facebook and even youtube). Amongst them there are a lot of genuine regular (as in non-narcissists attention seekers) people who use those communication channels. Until the incentives of social media change these tendencies keep up or get even worse.
akavi 6y ago
@TitaniaMcGrath is a parody, and not a particularly subtle one.
- hintymad 6y ago
  Yeah, it's obvious. What's revealing is the collection of the articles in MSM.
korethr 6y ago
This thread strikes me as a material lesson in Poe's Law
paganel 6y ago
Highways are kind of anti-poor, and as the black population in the States is poorer than the white population you could say (by stretching it a little) that highways are racist. Robert Moses was maybe not a racist (I haven’t read that big book about him, I must admit) but the highways that he helped built did a lot of harm to the black population of NYC. I mention all this because I saw that lady you linked to being frustrated at highways having been called racist.
- vangelis 6y ago
  "How can objects be racist?" and so on. It's not about the physical concrete and rebar, it's about how highways were planned and sliced right through some communities. You see the same thing with the statue debate, in a vacuum how can these chunks of bronze represent anything, please don't mention they were put during up a generation after the Civil War as a reaction to certain movements.
vangelis 6y ago
Boring, garden variety outage culture strawman.

honkycat 6y ago

What a weak argument. "Some idiot said something somewhere, that means everyone believes it." If anything that thread illustrates how weak and stupid the "anti-identity politics" arguments are.

hintymad 6y ago
Yes, idiots wrote the articles, but it’s not “some idiot said” when so many media took them seriously. Besides, the arguments in those articles are not that different from NYT and WaPo’s attacks on Mount Rushmore, the founding fathers, and historical figures in general.

carapace 6y ago

Maybe stop referencing twitter like it's important or relevant? I rejoined twitter a few months ago, and quit again: it was inciting negative emotions and it felt addictive. The UI made me feel like I was having a mild stroke. It was disorienting. Having bailed on it again, my take is: generally the loudest and most attention-seeking people are the ones on there making the most noise and seeking attention most thirstily. Twitter is part of the problem, IMO.

hintymad 6y ago
It’s not about the tweet, but a collection of writeups in media. I was hoping that the so-called elites have some common sense.
- carapace 6y ago
  > a collection of writeups in media ...listed in a tweet. I block twitter though /etc/hosts so I can't click through to see what you're talking about. My point is, get off Twitter entirely. > I was hoping that the so-called elites have some common sense. I still can't figure out whether the world is run by evil sociopaths or well-meaning idiots, nor which possibility is scarier.
grugagag 6y ago
You will surely find a larger percentage of narcissists being very vocal on twitter (but also on other platforms like instagram or facebook and even youtube). Amongst them there are a lot of genuine regular (as in non-narcissists attention seekers) people who use those communication channels. Until the incentives of social media change these tendencies keep up or get even worse.

akavi 6y ago

@TitaniaMcGrath is a parody, and not a particularly subtle one.

hintymad 6y ago
Yeah, it's obvious. What's revealing is the collection of the articles in MSM.

korethr 6y ago

This thread strikes me as a material lesson in Poe's Law

paganel 6y ago

Highways are kind of anti-poor, and as the black population in the States is poorer than the white population you could say (by stretching it a little) that highways are racist. Robert Moses was maybe not a racist (I haven’t read that big book about him, I must admit) but the highways that he helped built did a lot of harm to the black population of NYC. I mention all this because I saw that lady you linked to being frustrated at highways having been called racist.

vangelis 6y ago
"How can objects be racist?" and so on. It's not about the physical concrete and rebar, it's about how highways were planned and sliced right through some communities. You see the same thing with the statue debate, in a vacuum how can these chunks of bronze represent anything, please don't mention they were put during up a generation after the Civil War as a reaction to certain movements.

vangelis 6y ago

Boring, garden variety outage culture strawman.