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The way that this is weaponized by hyperinclusionists to further radicalize groups is terrifying. "If you don't think X, you aren't A." "Well I don't think X,
by debacle 6y ago
The way that this is weaponized by hyperinclusionists to further radicalize groups is terrifying.
"If you don't think X, you aren't A."
"Well I don't think X, and I am A."
"If you don't think X you aren't A."
"Well then I guess I'm not A."
"If you don't think Y, you aren't A."
...and so on.
We've seen it with a few specific political groups.
- zozbot234 6y agoPeople usually call this salami slicing when a group does it to their ideological opponents. But sometimes it is a wholly internal, self-driven dynamic where the least committed members of a group tend to quit first, and the group ends up with more and more radicalized members over time.
- debacle 6y agoIt seems like every progressive group is slowly forced to adopt the platform of every other progressive group until they are effectively politically sterilized.
- dgellow 6y agoThat reminds me of Taleb’s essay “ The Dictatorship of the Small Minority”. https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
- mnd999 6y agoIt’s an easy mistake to make. Progressive groups need be be better at saying “that’s a nice campaign, but it’s not my campaign. Good luck with that.”
- debacle 6y agoIt makes fruitful discussion hard. I support socialized healthcare, but for me it's down as the 5th or 6th greatest problem facing the US medical system today, and I think implementing only socialized healthcare without fixing these other problems would create a system destined for failure. To many people, that means I don't support socialized healthcare.
- zozbot234 6y ago> To many people, that means I don't support socialized healthcare. Well, in a way, you don't. Because you apparently think socialized healthcare should not be an agenda priority in the short term, and what's the purpose of political activism if not agenda setting? Many other people who "don't support socialized healthcare" at this time might well regard it as worthwhile, if the other blatant issues w/ the healthcare system were addressed first.
- mnd999 6y agoAnd there it is. No it does not mean that. It simply means there are only so many hours in the day and a person only has so much time and energy and they are devoting that to other things right now.
- philwelch 6y agoSounds like a twist on No True Scotsman to me.
- emiliobumachar 6y agoI've seen this called Evaporative Cooling as an analogy to physics. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZQG9cwKbct2LtmL3p/evaporative-cooling-of-group-beliefs https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZQG9cwKbct2LtmL3p/evaporativ...
- tanseydavid 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman