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I've seen what you're talking about, but the false dichotomy I am referring to is between the real political implementations of the Republicans and Democrats,

I've seen what you're talking about, but the false dichotomy I am referring to is between the real political implementations of the Republicans and Democrats, which don't really seem that different from my outside-of-America perspective. Neither party seems capable of fixing anything, or building the infrastructure they promise, or really protecting the Americans they purport to represent. The same moneyed interests continue to exert the same amount of control regardless. The same foreign policies and the same sabre rattling happens. The actual _people_ have much wider divergence of opinions, for sure. I don't expect a Republican to go around chanting the slogans of people who have declared themselves to be their enemies; why would they?

joshuamorton 6y ago
Just because neither party is progressive doesn't mean that the conservative choice isn't far, faaaaar better than the regressive one. And yes indeed it would be awesome to revamp the US political system, but that won't happen anytime soon short of armed revolt, and keeping people alive in the meantime is still important.
- core-questions 6y ago
  > neither party is progressive And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly "law and order" President. Nothing is being conserved. Nobody has taken away gay marriage, abortion, legal weed, etc. Nobody sent in the Army to destroy CHAZ. The reality is that in the American system the President is not very powerful, and the permanent bureaucracy and moneyed interests have a lot more control over policy than one might thing at first glance.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    > And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly An incompetent conservative is still conservative. And the trump admin did try to erode many of these things: protections for gay and transgender workers[0], abortion[1], etc. That reversing supreme court decisions (which most of these were based on) is exceedingly difficult worked against his goals, but denying that he tried is ignorant. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-transgender-protections https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-trans... [1]: https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-uphold-louisiana-abortion-law/ https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urg...

joshuamorton 6y ago

Just because neither party is progressive doesn't mean that the conservative choice isn't far, faaaaar better than the regressive one. And yes indeed it would be awesome to revamp the US political system, but that won't happen anytime soon short of armed revolt, and keeping people alive in the meantime is still important.

core-questions 6y ago
> neither party is progressive And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly "law and order" President. Nothing is being conserved. Nobody has taken away gay marriage, abortion, legal weed, etc. Nobody sent in the Army to destroy CHAZ. The reality is that in the American system the President is not very powerful, and the permanent bureaucracy and moneyed interests have a lot more control over policy than one might thing at first glance.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  > And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly An incompetent conservative is still conservative. And the trump admin did try to erode many of these things: protections for gay and transgender workers[0], abortion[1], etc. That reversing supreme court decisions (which most of these were based on) is exceedingly difficult worked against his goals, but denying that he tried is ignorant. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-transgender-protections https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-trans... [1]: https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-uphold-louisiana-abortion-law/ https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urg...