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Step outside your statement for a second and consider it in light of PG's essay. Is it possible you yourself are afflicted with orthodox privilege, to the exten

Step outside your statement for a second and consider it in light of PG's essay. Is it possible you yourself are afflicted with orthodox privilege, to the extent where you can't see any legitimate critiques of your own standpoint? If you continue to allow these statements to polarize and force a false dichotomy that demonizes a group and lionizes another, well, you're not really helping heal the divides either.

Finnucane 6y ago
Dude, watch any video of a Republican politician saying 'All lives matter' and refusing to say 'Black lives matter' and then come back and tell me it's a false dichotomy.
- core-questions 6y ago
  I've seen what you're talking about, but the false dichotomy I am referring to is between the real political implementations of the Republicans and Democrats, which don't really seem that different from my outside-of-America perspective. Neither party seems capable of fixing anything, or building the infrastructure they promise, or really protecting the Americans they purport to represent. The same moneyed interests continue to exert the same amount of control regardless. The same foreign policies and the same sabre rattling happens. The actual _people_ have much wider divergence of opinions, for sure. I don't expect a Republican to go around chanting the slogans of people who have declared themselves to be their enemies; why would they?
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    Just because neither party is progressive doesn't mean that the conservative choice isn't far, faaaaar better than the regressive one. And yes indeed it would be awesome to revamp the US political system, but that won't happen anytime soon short of armed revolt, and keeping people alive in the meantime is still important.
    - core-questions 6y ago
      > neither party is progressive And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly "law and order" President. Nothing is being conserved. Nobody has taken away gay marriage, abortion, legal weed, etc. Nobody sent in the Army to destroy CHAZ. The reality is that in the American system the President is not very powerful, and the permanent bureaucracy and moneyed interests have a lot more control over policy than one might thing at first glance.
      - joshuamorton 6y ago
        > And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly An incompetent conservative is still conservative. And the trump admin did try to erode many of these things: protections for gay and transgender workers[0], abortion[1], etc. That reversing supreme court decisions (which most of these were based on) is exceedingly difficult worked against his goals, but denying that he tried is ignorant. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-transgender-protections https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-trans... [1]: https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-uphold-louisiana-abortion-law/ https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urg...

Finnucane 6y ago

Dude, watch any video of a Republican politician saying 'All lives matter' and refusing to say 'Black lives matter' and then come back and tell me it's a false dichotomy.

core-questions 6y ago
I've seen what you're talking about, but the false dichotomy I am referring to is between the real political implementations of the Republicans and Democrats, which don't really seem that different from my outside-of-America perspective. Neither party seems capable of fixing anything, or building the infrastructure they promise, or really protecting the Americans they purport to represent. The same moneyed interests continue to exert the same amount of control regardless. The same foreign policies and the same sabre rattling happens. The actual _people_ have much wider divergence of opinions, for sure. I don't expect a Republican to go around chanting the slogans of people who have declared themselves to be their enemies; why would they?
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  Just because neither party is progressive doesn't mean that the conservative choice isn't far, faaaaar better than the regressive one. And yes indeed it would be awesome to revamp the US political system, but that won't happen anytime soon short of armed revolt, and keeping people alive in the meantime is still important.
  - core-questions 6y ago
    > neither party is progressive And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly "law and order" President. Nothing is being conserved. Nobody has taken away gay marriage, abortion, legal weed, etc. Nobody sent in the Army to destroy CHAZ. The reality is that in the American system the President is not very powerful, and the permanent bureaucracy and moneyed interests have a lot more control over policy than one might thing at first glance.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      > And I'd say neither party is truly conservative, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this absolute shambles from an ostensibly An incompetent conservative is still conservative. And the trump admin did try to erode many of these things: protections for gay and transgender workers[0], abortion[1], etc. That reversing supreme court decisions (which most of these were based on) is exceedingly difficult worked against his goals, but denying that he tried is ignorant. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-transgender-protections https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/12/trump-trans... [1]: https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urges-supreme-court-to-uphold-louisiana-abortion-law/ https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/01/trump-administration-urg...