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>There are lots of potential long-term health effects to the virus This has been repeated ad nauseam but there has been no proof of any long term or permanent

>There are lots of potential long-term health effects to the virus This has been repeated ad nauseam but there has been no proof of any long term or permanent side effects from COVID, especially for asymptomatic cases. There are a few anecdotal cases but nothing concrete. Yes, if you get a bad case of COVID with a harsh pneumonia, that will result in a lower lung capacity for a while but that's always what happens after lung damage. But to say "lots of potential side effects" is bordering on disinformation. It's been 7 months now, we would have known by now. It makes absolutely no sense to keep pushing for the "we don't know a lot about the virus so we can just assume the worse and there's no way to prove otherwise" arguments after 5m+ infections and still no evidence even with almost every scientist and every doctor in the world being focused on COVID right now.

keldaris 6y ago
There is plenty of proof of long term and potentially permanent side effects, including some that are uncorrelated to disease severity. It's also true the relative prevalence of such side effects is far from well understood, but that is not a valid reason to dismiss the concerns outright. To counter your statement regarding "no evidence", here's just a few recent studies that provide such evidence (please note that this list is extremely far from being remotely exhaustive): 1) https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/doi/10.1093/brain/awaa240/5868408 https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/doi/10.1093/brain/awa... "The high incidence of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, particularly with haemorrhagic change, is striking. This complication was not related to the severity of the respiratory COVID-19 disease." 2) https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01891-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01891-8 (on the possibility that C19 may trigger diabetes) 3) https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-physicians-comprehensive-covid-effects-lung.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-physicians-comprehens... (on the systemic effects of C19, many of the acute complications have chronic effects detailed in the full study if you care to read it) 4) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31094-1/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... (on Kawasaki-like autoimmune disease in C19-infected children) 5) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30222-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2... (post-C19 lung fibrosis) Note that I've only cited evidence from highly cited and peer reviewed studies. There's a lot more if you care to follow the medical literature, but I think I've proven my point. 7 months is actually extremely little time for proper epidemiological studies on long term complications, it will take years to understand the prevalence and relative risk factors. What is clear, however, is that there is plenty of clinical evidence for different kinds of long term complications that necessitate further research.

keldaris 6y ago

There is plenty of proof of long term and potentially permanent side effects, including some that are uncorrelated to disease severity. It's also true the relative prevalence of such side effects is far from well understood, but that is not a valid reason to dismiss the concerns outright. To counter your statement regarding "no evidence", here's just a few recent studies that provide such evidence (please note that this list is extremely far from being remotely exhaustive): 1) https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/doi/10.1093/brain/awaa240/5868408 https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/doi/10.1093/brain/awa... "The high incidence of acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, particularly with haemorrhagic change, is striking. This complication was not related to the severity of the respiratory COVID-19 disease." 2) https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01891-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01891-8 (on the possibility that C19 may trigger diabetes) 3) https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-physicians-comprehensive-covid-effects-lung.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-physicians-comprehens... (on the systemic effects of C19, many of the acute complications have chronic effects detailed in the full study if you care to read it) 4) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31094-1/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... (on Kawasaki-like autoimmune disease in C19-infected children) 5) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30222-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2... (post-C19 lung fibrosis) Note that I've only cited evidence from highly cited and peer reviewed studies. There's a lot more if you care to follow the medical literature, but I think I've proven my point. 7 months is actually extremely little time for proper epidemiological studies on long term complications, it will take years to understand the prevalence and relative risk factors. What is clear, however, is that there is plenty of clinical evidence for different kinds of long term complications that necessitate further research.