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> Can't anyone there see past the current insanity and think? "I am the voice of reason!! All must think as I do! Can't you see?" She has set out to be comb

> Can't anyone there see past the current insanity and think? "I am the voice of reason!! All must think as I do! Can't you see?" She has set out to be combative and say things that a lot of people find repugnant. In particular, she has publicly mocked many of her coworkers, which isn't really a great way to make friends in the workplace. She presents no actual examples of misconduct against her either. Near as I can tell, she's leaving because she perceives people don't like her. Well, it's their right not to like her, as long as they obey the rules. The world won't miss her strident and dishonest voice.

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throwaway894345 6y ago
She paints a pretty clear picture of a hostile workplace, particularly in the context of all of the other drama going on at the Times. It's surprising that so many people who don't work at the Times are so confident that Bari is awful, lying, and generally deserving of harassment. Moreover, I don't understand how a good faith participant could read her letter and derive from it "All must think as I do!"--do you really not perceive a difference between a desire not to be harassed and a demand for ideological conformity? The general cancel culture debate on this forum has featured a shocking number of "harassment is criticism" arguments, and this seems like yet another. As a professional, you're allowed to think that her views are repugnant, and you're allowed to professionally criticize her views; however, harassment crosses the line. However, perhaps Bari is lying about the alleged harassment--I don't understand how you and others are so confident this is the case (yes, I'm aware that she accused professors of racism in college nearly 20 years ago, I don't see one minor offense in almost 20 years--and one which is frankly milder than those churned out at the Times on a daily basis--as indicative of a deeply flawed character, and attempts to use this to smear her only leave me with less respect for the critic). > Well, it's their right not to like her, as long as they obey the rules. Yeah, that's the whole point. Bari alleges harassment that the Times wouldn't put up with if the target was a progressive and not a Jewish liberal. According to her, her colleagues weren't 'obeying the rules'.
PunchTornado 6y ago
she presents clear examples of bullying that should get people fired, like her name followed by an axe on slack. I hope she has a screenshot. But I doubt that she invented that example. NYT should investigate and punish the bully. Otherwise, I am dissapointed when I open the paper and barely see any conservative columns while half the country still is conservative. I want to see how and why people think that way in this country, read their opinions.

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throwaway894345 6y ago

She paints a pretty clear picture of a hostile workplace, particularly in the context of all of the other drama going on at the Times. It's surprising that so many people who don't work at the Times are so confident that Bari is awful, lying, and generally deserving of harassment. Moreover, I don't understand how a good faith participant could read her letter and derive from it "All must think as I do!"--do you really not perceive a difference between a desire not to be harassed and a demand for ideological conformity? The general cancel culture debate on this forum has featured a shocking number of "harassment is criticism" arguments, and this seems like yet another. As a professional, you're allowed to think that her views are repugnant, and you're allowed to professionally criticize her views; however, harassment crosses the line. However, perhaps Bari is lying about the alleged harassment--I don't understand how you and others are so confident this is the case (yes, I'm aware that she accused professors of racism in college nearly 20 years ago, I don't see one minor offense in almost 20 years--and one which is frankly milder than those churned out at the Times on a daily basis--as indicative of a deeply flawed character, and attempts to use this to smear her only leave me with less respect for the critic). > Well, it's their right not to like her, as long as they obey the rules. Yeah, that's the whole point. Bari alleges harassment that the Times wouldn't put up with if the target was a progressive and not a Jewish liberal. According to her, her colleagues weren't 'obeying the rules'.

PunchTornado 6y ago

she presents clear examples of bullying that should get people fired, like her name followed by an axe on slack. I hope she has a screenshot. But I doubt that she invented that example. NYT should investigate and punish the bully. Otherwise, I am dissapointed when I open the paper and barely see any conservative columns while half the country still is conservative. I want to see how and why people think that way in this country, read their opinions.