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This is a disgraceful verdict for the Irish people. We laid ourselves bare as a tax haven for MegaCorps, and now we're not even seeing the benefits.

stormdennis 6y ago
No the European Court found for the Irish Government and dismissed pretty much out of hand the allegations that it had shown favouritism to Apple. Most of that €13billion would have gone to other countries anyway.
- chaz6 6y ago
  Are you suggesting it is better for Apple to keep it all rather than Ireland have to share with the rest of the EU?
  - stormdennis 6y ago
    No rules were broken, it seems, so it's moot to talk about whether it would be better going to European Goverments.
robertlagrant 6y ago
> We laid ourselves bare as a tax haven This sort of silly emotionalism gets the conversation nowhere. If you can't write good rules to make companies give you money for efforts mostly done in other countries, what do you expect?
- thomasahle 6y ago
  > If you can't write good rules to make companies give you money for efforts mostly done in other countries, what do you expect? You make it sound like writing such rules is easy. I don't know of any countries thst have succeeded in doing so.
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sbuk 6y ago
The law is the law and often times it’s an ass. Disgraceful verdict? No. You just disagree with it. What matters is the laws and regulations are applied in a correct manner. So, was the initial investigation inept? Possibly. What this does highlight is that the law as it exists is arguably not fit for purpose, which is what many have been saying for a while, and that a reform of tax law across the EU is necessary.
s_dev 6y ago
Then you have to wonder why Ireland become increasingly wealthier as more US Multinationals poured in. People in Europe keep saying these are "brass plate" operations -- however Google, Facebook and Apple all employ absolutely thousands here. US Multinationals are crucial to the Irish economy and tax base.
cameronbrown 6y ago
Except for thousands of jobs?
- joejerryronnie 6y ago
  Inconvenient truth.
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apta 6y ago
What about all the taxes generated from employee salaries, property taxes, VAT, etc?
donarb 6y ago
> we're not even seeing the benefits Apple employs 6000 people in Cork.

stormdennis 6y ago

No the European Court found for the Irish Government and dismissed pretty much out of hand the allegations that it had shown favouritism to Apple. Most of that €13billion would have gone to other countries anyway.

chaz6 6y ago
Are you suggesting it is better for Apple to keep it all rather than Ireland have to share with the rest of the EU?
- stormdennis 6y ago
  No rules were broken, it seems, so it's moot to talk about whether it would be better going to European Goverments.

robertlagrant 6y ago

> We laid ourselves bare as a tax haven This sort of silly emotionalism gets the conversation nowhere. If you can't write good rules to make companies give you money for efforts mostly done in other countries, what do you expect?

thomasahle 6y ago
> If you can't write good rules to make companies give you money for efforts mostly done in other countries, what do you expect? You make it sound like writing such rules is easy. I don't know of any countries thst have succeeded in doing so.

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sbuk 6y ago

The law is the law and often times it’s an ass. Disgraceful verdict? No. You just disagree with it. What matters is the laws and regulations are applied in a correct manner. So, was the initial investigation inept? Possibly. What this does highlight is that the law as it exists is arguably not fit for purpose, which is what many have been saying for a while, and that a reform of tax law across the EU is necessary.

s_dev 6y ago

Then you have to wonder why Ireland become increasingly wealthier as more US Multinationals poured in. People in Europe keep saying these are "brass plate" operations -- however Google, Facebook and Apple all employ absolutely thousands here. US Multinationals are crucial to the Irish economy and tax base.

cameronbrown 6y ago

Except for thousands of jobs?

joejerryronnie 6y ago
Inconvenient truth.

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apta 6y ago

What about all the taxes generated from employee salaries, property taxes, VAT, etc?

donarb 6y ago

> we're not even seeing the benefits Apple employs 6000 people in Cork.