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> How do you argue morality with someone who is just trying to feed themselves? Don't change the subject. I am not arguing morality with someone who's trying t

> How do you argue morality with someone who is just trying to feed themselves? Don't change the subject. I am not arguing morality with someone who's trying to feed themselves. I am arguing morality with someone who flies to tech conferences several times a year, drives around in a huge SUV, and screams bloody murder when someone else proposes maybe a carbon tax or something. And then blames it all on poor people. Poor people are not the problem. Rich people are the problem. https://oi-files-d8-prod.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/file_attachments/mb-extreme-carbon-inequality-021215-en.pdf https://oi-files-d8-prod.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/s3fs-pub...

steve_adams_86 6y ago
You’re right, that is a glaring issue and to me it’s indisputable. It cuts all ways though. Targeting the rich alone just isn’t sufficient. I didn’t mean to imply poor people are the only problem at all - just that pleading for moral decisions with the bulk of the earth’s population would be futile. One of my greatest fears is that I’m right, so I genuinely hope I’m not.
- perfunctory 6y ago
  I totally share your fears. I am afraid we are already too late. Though, pleading for moral decisions seems to have worked in the past. Again, see civil rights movement, women's suffrage etc. Let's just hope it will work again, and that it won't be too late.
  - steve_adams_86 6y ago
    Those are very good points, you're right. Here's hoping. I guess the best thing we can do is normalize these behaviours by making the moral decisions ourselves and encouraging the same within our family and peer groups. Just like those movements before us. Stop flying, stop buying things wrapped in plastic upon plastic upon plastic, cycle more places, eat more plants and less meat, etc – the 'drip in the ocean' strategy might be all we have, but you're right... It has helped before. There's no sense in discouraging that.

steve_adams_86 6y ago

You’re right, that is a glaring issue and to me it’s indisputable. It cuts all ways though. Targeting the rich alone just isn’t sufficient. I didn’t mean to imply poor people are the only problem at all - just that pleading for moral decisions with the bulk of the earth’s population would be futile. One of my greatest fears is that I’m right, so I genuinely hope I’m not.

perfunctory 6y ago
I totally share your fears. I am afraid we are already too late. Though, pleading for moral decisions seems to have worked in the past. Again, see civil rights movement, women's suffrage etc. Let's just hope it will work again, and that it won't be too late.
- steve_adams_86 6y ago
  Those are very good points, you're right. Here's hoping. I guess the best thing we can do is normalize these behaviours by making the moral decisions ourselves and encouraging the same within our family and peer groups. Just like those movements before us. Stop flying, stop buying things wrapped in plastic upon plastic upon plastic, cycle more places, eat more plants and less meat, etc – the 'drip in the ocean' strategy might be all we have, but you're right... It has helped before. There's no sense in discouraging that.