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Am I the only one thinking fighting to rid the country of the students resourceful enough to study in Harvard and MIT is madness? I would rather give them citiz

Am I the only one thinking fighting to rid the country of the students resourceful enough to study in Harvard and MIT is madness? I would rather give them citizenship without even waiting for them to graduate.

totalZero 6y ago
For the sake of circumspection, I suppose a counterpoint to your thinking might go like this...... These institutions receive an abundance of high-quality applications every year and choose only a few; for every admitted international student, several amazing domestic applicants are rejected. The government does not need to bend over backwards for the international students who won the admissions lottery, because they already have a huge advantage. Rather, it might prefer to fight for the interests of its own citizens, whose advancement is in their personal best interest as well as that of the nation. If an international student follows the established legal processes whereby a foreign person can become an American citizen, he, too, can benefit from a system that protects the interest of American citizens.
- qwerty456127 6y ago
  Just fix the system the way more students can be admitted and graduate. As many as possible (while maintaining the quality). This can be especially easy now as the universities target to become 100% online and the number of students whom you can let attend a lecture is virtually unlimited.
- TheCoelacanth 6y ago
  The counterpoint to that is that international students are a cash cow for universities. They aren't taking away seats from domestic students. They are subsidizing the ability for more domestic students to study there.
  - totalZero 6y ago
    Only a small fraction of MIT's revenue comes from tuition. https://web.mit.edu/facts/financial.html https://web.mit.edu/facts/financial.html
limbicsystem 6y ago
I was talking recently to an Indian colleague whose son was admitted to McGill as an CS undergraduate. He had a very smooth transition through Canadian customs. Then was met right on the other side by representatives from McGill who provided a phone (to call his mother in India), a meal, and then talked him through the process of working with Canadian immigration to apply for permanent residency in a few years if he wanted to stay. The contrast with the US approach could not be starker.

totalZero 6y ago

For the sake of circumspection, I suppose a counterpoint to your thinking might go like this...... These institutions receive an abundance of high-quality applications every year and choose only a few; for every admitted international student, several amazing domestic applicants are rejected. The government does not need to bend over backwards for the international students who won the admissions lottery, because they already have a huge advantage. Rather, it might prefer to fight for the interests of its own citizens, whose advancement is in their personal best interest as well as that of the nation. If an international student follows the established legal processes whereby a foreign person can become an American citizen, he, too, can benefit from a system that protects the interest of American citizens.

qwerty456127 6y ago
Just fix the system the way more students can be admitted and graduate. As many as possible (while maintaining the quality). This can be especially easy now as the universities target to become 100% online and the number of students whom you can let attend a lecture is virtually unlimited.
TheCoelacanth 6y ago
The counterpoint to that is that international students are a cash cow for universities. They aren't taking away seats from domestic students. They are subsidizing the ability for more domestic students to study there.
- totalZero 6y ago
  Only a small fraction of MIT's revenue comes from tuition. https://web.mit.edu/facts/financial.html https://web.mit.edu/facts/financial.html

limbicsystem 6y ago

I was talking recently to an Indian colleague whose son was admitted to McGill as an CS undergraduate. He had a very smooth transition through Canadian customs. Then was met right on the other side by representatives from McGill who provided a phone (to call his mother in India), a meal, and then talked him through the process of working with Canadian immigration to apply for permanent residency in a few years if he wanted to stay. The contrast with the US approach could not be starker.