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My point is that many Americans, self included, never heard of FGM until immigrants brought it into to our country. > you seem to think that everyone in these

My point is that many Americans, self included, never heard of FGM until immigrants brought it into to our country. > you seem to think that everyone in these countries is the same Your words, not mine. Everyone is an individual. I think many of these individuals should fix their own countries before fleeing to mine. They are not the meek and downtrodden. Every one at the university has blown through at least $125K on immigration attorneys for the student visa alone. > smart, well-educated, and generally "good" people There is more to being good than calculus and not murdering people. Given the immense purchasing power they would have in their own countries, why aren't they raising up their own instead of fleeing? So many brahmins blowing through half a mil on a 3rd-rate US compsci degree, while people back home don't even have clean water.

arp242 6y ago
FGM is not merely an "immigrant issue" in the US: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/02/fgm-happened-to-me-in-white-midwest-america https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/02/fgm-happened... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-religion-fgm/us-woman-says-strict-christian-parents-subjected-her-to-fgm-idUSKCN1RD2LI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-religion-fgm/us-woman... Never mind that the United States specifically also has a tradition of male genital mutilation, so ... you know. Why should I have the personal responsibility to "fix" my county? Just because I happened to be born there? Seems like a weird take; I don't think location of birth imparts any sort of personal responsibility towards the location. I was able to leave my own country because I didn't like it, why shouldn't other people have this opportunity? Just because someone else does something bad in their country? Meh. Most people I know aren't "fleeing"; they just want to live somewhere else for a while. Most come back as their family etc. is here and they're usually better off with the experience. Rich people all over the world spend money on rich person's things. That's a very small minority though, and most people are just regular middle-class people (or worse) with middle-class income and jobs. My Indonesian girlfriend will have a significantly harder time moving to Europe than I have moving to Indonesia for no other reason than her location of birth, even though she has a university degree and arguably a better job than I do.
- jstewartmobile 6y ago
  You were raised to a healthy adulthood, and educated you to a point where you are internationally employable. Your parents/neighbors/society didn't have to do that. There are a lot of places on this earth where mom and pop would have sold you into the sex trade or worse. After all of that, skipping off to Indonesia to get yours just sounds kind of mercenary to me. Blue collar vs white collar makes no difference. I'm not really interested in bringing more mercenaries to my country. Instead of building-up the place, they will operate just like the paperclip maximizers that employ them: flee to another country as soon as the market changes.

arp242 6y ago

FGM is not merely an "immigrant issue" in the US: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/02/fgm-happened-to-me-in-white-midwest-america https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/02/fgm-happened... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-religion-fgm/us-woman-says-strict-christian-parents-subjected-her-to-fgm-idUSKCN1RD2LI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-religion-fgm/us-woman... Never mind that the United States specifically also has a tradition of male genital mutilation, so ... you know. Why should I have the personal responsibility to "fix" my county? Just because I happened to be born there? Seems like a weird take; I don't think location of birth imparts any sort of personal responsibility towards the location. I was able to leave my own country because I didn't like it, why shouldn't other people have this opportunity? Just because someone else does something bad in their country? Meh. Most people I know aren't "fleeing"; they just want to live somewhere else for a while. Most come back as their family etc. is here and they're usually better off with the experience. Rich people all over the world spend money on rich person's things. That's a very small minority though, and most people are just regular middle-class people (or worse) with middle-class income and jobs. My Indonesian girlfriend will have a significantly harder time moving to Europe than I have moving to Indonesia for no other reason than her location of birth, even though she has a university degree and arguably a better job than I do.

jstewartmobile 6y ago
You were raised to a healthy adulthood, and educated you to a point where you are internationally employable. Your parents/neighbors/society didn't have to do that. There are a lot of places on this earth where mom and pop would have sold you into the sex trade or worse. After all of that, skipping off to Indonesia to get yours just sounds kind of mercenary to me. Blue collar vs white collar makes no difference. I'm not really interested in bringing more mercenaries to my country. Instead of building-up the place, they will operate just like the paperclip maximizers that employ them: flee to another country as soon as the market changes.