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> The US government and corporations are basically one and the same. Not really. Corporations and the government fight about all kinds of stuff, like encrypti

> The US government and corporations are basically one and the same. Not really. Corporations and the government fight about all kinds of stuff, like encryption, and handing over private information about their users. Companies try to buy influence through lobbying, sure, but that's a far cry from 'basically one and the same'.

tehjoker 6y ago
This is a mere tactical disagreement. The government and the security state are extensively intertwined to an extent that the place where one begins and the other ends is hard to distangle given the revolving door of employees and defense contracts. The extent to which the buisness community as a whole has the ear of the government vs the people is evident given the extremely large disagreements between public opinion polls and implemented policy. If corporations want something, they don't always get it, but if the people want something and corps disagree the people almost never get it. Study: Gilens and Page. "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens". American Political Science Association. 2014. pgs. 564-581. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli... BBC Article about it: "Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy" https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
- poiuytrewqa 6y ago
  Without going that far also Chomsky was critic about it > Chomsky has repeatedly emphasized that the overall framework of US foreign policy can be explained by the domestic dominance of US business interests and a drive to secure the state capitalist system. Those interests set the political agenda and the economic goals that aim primarily at US economic dominance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Noam_Chomsky https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Noam_... The fact is whenever there's dominance (either Chinese or US) there will be who is sympathetic and who is critical. I think is good to have a power balance that was missing since the cold war (not that we need to go back at that stage, but rather have a counterpart that can balance the interest)

tehjoker 6y ago

This is a mere tactical disagreement. The government and the security state are extensively intertwined to an extent that the place where one begins and the other ends is hard to distangle given the revolving door of employees and defense contracts. The extent to which the buisness community as a whole has the ear of the government vs the people is evident given the extremely large disagreements between public opinion polls and implemented policy. If corporations want something, they don't always get it, but if the people want something and corps disagree the people almost never get it. Study: Gilens and Page. "Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens". American Political Science Association. 2014. pgs. 564-581. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli... BBC Article about it: "Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy" https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

poiuytrewqa 6y ago
Without going that far also Chomsky was critic about it > Chomsky has repeatedly emphasized that the overall framework of US foreign policy can be explained by the domestic dominance of US business interests and a drive to secure the state capitalist system. Those interests set the political agenda and the economic goals that aim primarily at US economic dominance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Noam_Chomsky https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Noam_... The fact is whenever there's dominance (either Chinese or US) there will be who is sympathetic and who is critical. I think is good to have a power balance that was missing since the cold war (not that we need to go back at that stage, but rather have a counterpart that can balance the interest)