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At least in Germany they are higher. A friend who is still in college got an offer as a new grad for ~75k. This offer is probably in the top 10% though. I don't

by ck_one 6y ago

At least in Germany they are higher. A friend who is still in college got an offer as a new grad for ~75k. This offer is probably in the top 10% though. I don't know a single friend from college who starts with less than 45k as a new grad. Those who get 45k usually don't have internship experience.

yulaow 6y ago
In Italy a senior dev would often get less than half of that (pretax). Basically just in Milan salary are higher but a junior would not get more than 30k
- cgb223 6y ago
  What does that look like post tax? Is it livable?
  - yulaow 6y ago
    30k is around 1700euros/month after tax. Sounds like a little but it is already 200euros/month over the average salary in Italy and this is for a junior position (even if I have to admit I saw often 26000-28000 euro as a common pre-tax salary for juniors outside Milan) For comparison for a two rooms apartment in a city (again, except for Milan) you usually pay around 400-700e so it is livable and you can save enough money month over month. If you are a couple with both around the same pay you can live quite well and with a senior role (typically you get 38k = 2100 euros/month but I see some good companies offer 45k = 2450euros/month) you really have no problems at all and can save a lot + buy a 3 or 4 rooms apartment easily. Then Milan is an exception. There as a senior you can get quite easily 65k = 3400 euro/month to 85k but the cost of life is London-level and rents are absurdly high in any part of the city, so much that mostly you want to live outside of it and just commute via trains.
- eb0la 6y ago
  Spain is similar. 30k max for junior dev. Getting above 50-60k means you're either a hero, or Batman own son.
rotterdamdev 6y ago
Yeah but Germany is a shit hole.
dakiol 6y ago
That offer (75K) is definitely not the norm for a new grad. It can happen, sure, but I think it's more productive to discuss salaries 90% of the software engineers in this forum can get/expect.
pepe56 6y ago
Also, 75k as a new grad is even more unlikely in a startup. This salary as a new grad might happen if you apply for a job at Microsoft in Düsseldorf or Salesforce in Munich, but it’s definitely not the norm even for large companies.

by ck_one 6y ago

yulaow 6y ago

In Italy a senior dev would often get less than half of that (pretax). Basically just in Milan salary are higher but a junior would not get more than 30k

cgb223 6y ago
What does that look like post tax? Is it livable?
- yulaow 6y ago
  30k is around 1700euros/month after tax. Sounds like a little but it is already 200euros/month over the average salary in Italy and this is for a junior position (even if I have to admit I saw often 26000-28000 euro as a common pre-tax salary for juniors outside Milan) For comparison for a two rooms apartment in a city (again, except for Milan) you usually pay around 400-700e so it is livable and you can save enough money month over month. If you are a couple with both around the same pay you can live quite well and with a senior role (typically you get 38k = 2100 euros/month but I see some good companies offer 45k = 2450euros/month) you really have no problems at all and can save a lot + buy a 3 or 4 rooms apartment easily. Then Milan is an exception. There as a senior you can get quite easily 65k = 3400 euro/month to 85k but the cost of life is London-level and rents are absurdly high in any part of the city, so much that mostly you want to live outside of it and just commute via trains.
eb0la 6y ago
Spain is similar. 30k max for junior dev. Getting above 50-60k means you're either a hero, or Batman own son.

rotterdamdev 6y ago

Yeah but Germany is a shit hole.

dakiol 6y ago

That offer (75K) is definitely not the norm for a new grad. It can happen, sure, but I think it's more productive to discuss salaries 90% of the software engineers in this forum can get/expect.

pepe56 6y ago

Also, 75k as a new grad is even more unlikely in a startup. This salary as a new grad might happen if you apply for a job at Microsoft in Düsseldorf or Salesforce in Munich, but it’s definitely not the norm even for large companies.