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We've been using the same bricks for over 5,000 years. It's time for a change

31 points by clouddrover 6y ago

dmitriid 6y ago
Modern bricks are nowhere near the same as the bricks 5000 years ago. And concrete is probably much bigger ecological hazard: https://www.businessinsider.com/world-running-out-sand-resources-concrete-2018-6?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/world-running-out-sand-resou...
- Scaevolus 6y ago
  And concrete is massively preferred over brick for reducing labor costs.
  - naikrovek 6y ago
    Nice to see the armchair experts again completely dismissing the work of someone doing the work of actually trying to do something productive.
fnord77 6y ago
this article reads like a sponsored advertisement
- x3n0ph3n3 6y ago
  What makes you think it isn't?
kumarvvr 6y ago
No details on the bonding agent used for binding the construction rubble. But I really wish the world comes up with alternate building materials. Currently, Cement has a large footprint. Sand used as filler, at-least in India, is in severe shortage and rivers are destroyed trying to mine it. And brick kilns consume a lot of energy.
Animats 6y ago
Many variants on brick have been tried. Making bricks with tighter dimensional tolerances so they can be epoxied tightly together rather than using mortar is one approach. The mortar is usually the weak point. But it didn't "look like brick". There are cement bricks, and, of course, cinder blocks. There are "poured stone" blocks, mostly for decorative walkways. There are rammed earth blocks. There are bricks in nonstandard shapes. Bricks are reused all the time, mostly in places with old brick buildings and an underclass of cheap labor to chip off the mortar. Like Chicago. The "let's just dump random construction debris in" approach seems kind of iffy. Figuring out how to make something from broken concrete might be more useful. If you want some broken concrete, and are in Silicon Valley, there's a plant on Seaport Boulevard in Redwood City that gives it away. They charge to dispose of concrete, break it into small pieces, and give it away as "base rock". From the size of the pile they have, even giving it away is tough.
- lostapathy 6y ago
  Apparently in the trade "Cinder blocks" are referred to as CMU's (concrete masonry units). Just an FYI for anyone who wants to do more research.
  - Animats 6y ago
    Yes, with the decline of coal as a fuel, the supply of cinders is much diminished. Also fly ash, which is what the electrostatic precipitators at coal fired power plants pull out of the exhaust gases. Fly ash can be used in place of sand in cement.
- ehnto 6y ago
  Rammed earth is my favorite conceptually, especially if your property has the source raw materials on the property. You're not externalizing the impact of your build, and it deteriorates right back where it came from.
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malwarebytess 6y ago
http://www.university-technology.com/opportunity/591/earth-eco-brick-new-eco-masonry-product-green-technology--great-possibilities http://www.university-technology.com/opportunity/591/earth-e... Key Benefits: Largest recycled content of any building product on the market - over 90% recycled construction waste These unfired units have excellent sustainability credentials - no gas use for firing, or cement required Provides a market for recycled aggregates (gravel and sand) from construction and demolition sector Significantly lower life cycle environmental impacts compared with traditional clay fired bricks/ cement-based products In short - Easy recyclability, low resource use in manufacturing and low energy curing Applications: Creates a new product from waste that would otherwise be landfilled Sustainable construction product suitable for internal and external load-bearing and “facing” applications Lower cost recycled materials than in traditional bricks / cement-based products as well as reduced production cost per unit
jb775 6y ago
Why on earth would we want to change something that's successfully worked for over 5,000 years?
- pankajdoharey 6y ago
  Absolutely first rule of engineering, Dont fix something that works.
- raldi 6y ago
  Because the company that paid for this ad couldn't get a patent for a 5,000-year-old design.
  - pankajdoharey 6y ago
    Haha, good one!
missedthecue 6y ago
if it ain't broke
fyfy18 6y ago
Another alternative is bricks made from cork. The main use of cork is making wine bottle stoppers, which results in lots of left over material. Cork is more ecological than wood, as it's the stripped bark of the tree (the tree will continue growing once harvested and can be harvested multiple times). In this process they grind up left over material from wine bottle stoppers, and heat it to form large bricks (it binds itself). The bricks are then cut on a CNC machine to give the correct form, and the waste material is sent back to the beginning of the process. Cork is a natural insulator, so building a house is more like stacking LEGO in this process. https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitions-landing-page/awards/riba-regional-awards/riba-south-award-winners/2019/cork-house https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitions-landing... Both are great ideas, but I doubt I am going to be seeing these for sale in my local builders merchant anytime soon.
- dirtyid 6y ago
  I love a good cork floor, but there isn't enough cork trees in the world to be viable substitute construction materials outside of niche applications.
- rapnie 6y ago
  I'm really enthousiastic for cross-laminated timber (CLT), which has such good properties it can even replace concrete skeleton in high-rise (10+ storeys) building construction. Plus applying it is a means to do carbon capture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-laminated_timber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-laminated_timber
- petre 6y ago
  I like hempcrete or hemp lime which is a mixture of hemp hurds with lime and sand. It's poured in place or made into bricks. However, the bricks also need cement for structural integrity, so it's best to pour it in place. One needs wooden framing to sustain the walls. I don't think it's scalable to build tall buildings using it but for regular houses it's perfect because it also has good insulation, vapour and thermal buffering characteristics. We probably need something with enough structural integrity to be able to at least 3D print houses. The architects can then create a 3D model which is fed to a printing crane and printed in place.
dirtyid 6y ago
Another non-fire eco-brick. These things have potential, but construction is a conservative business, especially when trying to usurp materials with proven performance history. But very few things with bricks is built to last 100+ years anymore, let alone 1,000. We're better off with a material that cost 1/10 the energy and last 1/10 as long than spending 10/10 energy on traditional manufacturing process for things that will last 1/10 as long anyway.
082349872349872 6y ago
rough dup (different outlet, same press release?) of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23820308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23820308 (dang, I actually used past)
leakybit 6y ago
To make it, construction and demolition waste including bricks, gravel, sand and plasterboard is crushed and mixed with water and a binder. The bricks are then pressed in customized molds. Tinted with recycled pigments, they can be made in any color Is the binder cement? If so, then I believe those are called cinder blocks.
growlist 6y ago
These guys have been doing something similar for at least a decade (I have no financial interest etc.): http://www.timbercrete.com.au http://www.timbercrete.com.au Also, I live in West Sussex and the amount of clay here really is unbelievable - my town used to be a major producer of clay and bricks, tiles etc. Once you're past a foot or so of topsoil it's pure clay.
jkmcf 6y ago
I remember watching an episode of Beyond 2000 (?) in the 90s or so about new brick tech. Nothing seems catch on...

31 points by clouddrover 6y ago

Modern bricks are nowhere near the same as the bricks 5000 years ago. And concrete is probably much bigger ecological hazard: https://www.businessinsider.com/world-running-out-sand-resources-concrete-2018-6?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/world-running-out-sand-resou...

Scaevolus 6y ago
And concrete is massively preferred over brick for reducing labor costs.
- naikrovek 6y ago
  Nice to see the armchair experts again completely dismissing the work of someone doing the work of actually trying to do something productive.

fnord77 6y ago

this article reads like a sponsored advertisement

x3n0ph3n3 6y ago
What makes you think it isn't?

kumarvvr 6y ago

No details on the bonding agent used for binding the construction rubble. But I really wish the world comes up with alternate building materials. Currently, Cement has a large footprint. Sand used as filler, at-least in India, is in severe shortage and rivers are destroyed trying to mine it. And brick kilns consume a lot of energy.

Animats 6y ago

Many variants on brick have been tried. Making bricks with tighter dimensional tolerances so they can be epoxied tightly together rather than using mortar is one approach. The mortar is usually the weak point. But it didn't "look like brick". There are cement bricks, and, of course, cinder blocks. There are "poured stone" blocks, mostly for decorative walkways. There are rammed earth blocks. There are bricks in nonstandard shapes. Bricks are reused all the time, mostly in places with old brick buildings and an underclass of cheap labor to chip off the mortar. Like Chicago. The "let's just dump random construction debris in" approach seems kind of iffy. Figuring out how to make something from broken concrete might be more useful. If you want some broken concrete, and are in Silicon Valley, there's a plant on Seaport Boulevard in Redwood City that gives it away. They charge to dispose of concrete, break it into small pieces, and give it away as "base rock". From the size of the pile they have, even giving it away is tough.

lostapathy 6y ago
Apparently in the trade "Cinder blocks" are referred to as CMU's (concrete masonry units). Just an FYI for anyone who wants to do more research.
- Animats 6y ago
  Yes, with the decline of coal as a fuel, the supply of cinders is much diminished. Also fly ash, which is what the electrostatic precipitators at coal fired power plants pull out of the exhaust gases. Fly ash can be used in place of sand in cement.
ehnto 6y ago
Rammed earth is my favorite conceptually, especially if your property has the source raw materials on the property. You're not externalizing the impact of your build, and it deteriorates right back where it came from.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
6y ago

malwarebytess 6y ago

http://www.university-technology.com/opportunity/591/earth-eco-brick-new-eco-masonry-product-green-technology--great-possibilities http://www.university-technology.com/opportunity/591/earth-e... Key Benefits: Largest recycled content of any building product on the market - over 90% recycled construction waste These unfired units have excellent sustainability credentials - no gas use for firing, or cement required Provides a market for recycled aggregates (gravel and sand) from construction and demolition sector Significantly lower life cycle environmental impacts compared with traditional clay fired bricks/ cement-based products In short - Easy recyclability, low resource use in manufacturing and low energy curing Applications: Creates a new product from waste that would otherwise be landfilled Sustainable construction product suitable for internal and external load-bearing and “facing” applications Lower cost recycled materials than in traditional bricks / cement-based products as well as reduced production cost per unit

jb775 6y ago

Why on earth would we want to change something that's successfully worked for over 5,000 years?

pankajdoharey 6y ago
Absolutely first rule of engineering, Dont fix something that works.
raldi 6y ago
Because the company that paid for this ad couldn't get a patent for a 5,000-year-old design.
- pankajdoharey 6y ago
  Haha, good one!

missedthecue 6y ago

if it ain't broke

fyfy18 6y ago

Another alternative is bricks made from cork. The main use of cork is making wine bottle stoppers, which results in lots of left over material. Cork is more ecological than wood, as it's the stripped bark of the tree (the tree will continue growing once harvested and can be harvested multiple times). In this process they grind up left over material from wine bottle stoppers, and heat it to form large bricks (it binds itself). The bricks are then cut on a CNC machine to give the correct form, and the waste material is sent back to the beginning of the process. Cork is a natural insulator, so building a house is more like stacking LEGO in this process. https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitions-landing-page/awards/riba-regional-awards/riba-south-award-winners/2019/cork-house https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitions-landing... Both are great ideas, but I doubt I am going to be seeing these for sale in my local builders merchant anytime soon.

dirtyid 6y ago
I love a good cork floor, but there isn't enough cork trees in the world to be viable substitute construction materials outside of niche applications.
rapnie 6y ago
I'm really enthousiastic for cross-laminated timber (CLT), which has such good properties it can even replace concrete skeleton in high-rise (10+ storeys) building construction. Plus applying it is a means to do carbon capture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-laminated_timber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-laminated_timber
petre 6y ago
I like hempcrete or hemp lime which is a mixture of hemp hurds with lime and sand. It's poured in place or made into bricks. However, the bricks also need cement for structural integrity, so it's best to pour it in place. One needs wooden framing to sustain the walls. I don't think it's scalable to build tall buildings using it but for regular houses it's perfect because it also has good insulation, vapour and thermal buffering characteristics. We probably need something with enough structural integrity to be able to at least 3D print houses. The architects can then create a 3D model which is fed to a printing crane and printed in place.

dirtyid 6y ago

Another non-fire eco-brick. These things have potential, but construction is a conservative business, especially when trying to usurp materials with proven performance history. But very few things with bricks is built to last 100+ years anymore, let alone 1,000. We're better off with a material that cost 1/10 the energy and last 1/10 as long than spending 10/10 energy on traditional manufacturing process for things that will last 1/10 as long anyway.

082349872349872 6y ago

rough dup (different outlet, same press release?) of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23820308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23820308 (dang, I actually used past)

leakybit 6y ago

To make it, construction and demolition waste including bricks, gravel, sand and plasterboard is crushed and mixed with water and a binder. The bricks are then pressed in customized molds. Tinted with recycled pigments, they can be made in any color Is the binder cement? If so, then I believe those are called cinder blocks.

growlist 6y ago

These guys have been doing something similar for at least a decade (I have no financial interest etc.): http://www.timbercrete.com.au http://www.timbercrete.com.au Also, I live in West Sussex and the amount of clay here really is unbelievable - my town used to be a major producer of clay and bricks, tiles etc. Once you're past a foot or so of topsoil it's pure clay.

jkmcf 6y ago

I remember watching an episode of Beyond 2000 (?) in the 90s or so about new brick tech. Nothing seems catch on...