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The Chinese National Intelligence Law applies to any and every company operating in China right now, including Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, IBM, etc., no

The Chinese National Intelligence Law applies to any and every company operating in China right now, including Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, IBM, etc., not just TikTok. Ironically enough, Google is one of the few major tech companies that can't be compelled to hand over information to China.

russli1993 6y ago
The subsidiaries of these companies are subject to the intelligence law and whatever data these subsidiaries owns. If apple keeps US data away from the apple subsidiary in China then Apple is physically impossible to hand the data to Chinese government
- three_seagrass 6y ago
  Apple keeps data in China. [1] They specifically made the move because of China's National Intelligence Law. [2] >To comply with the law, for instance, Apple announced that it would transfer the operation of iCloud in Mainland China to a government-sponsored data company named Guizhou-Cloud Big Data. [1] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#Effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#Ef...
  - jchb 6y ago
    Yes, but they only store data in China for Chinese customers (as per the registered region of the Apple ID). [1] [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351
    - three_seagrass 6y ago
      Right, which is still Apple complying with the Chinese National Intelligence Law and giving up private customer data to the Chinese government.
- judge2020 6y ago
  This is effectively what TikTok is (claims to be) doing as well https://www.bytedance.com/en/#corporate-structure https://www.bytedance.com/en/#corporate-structure
johncena33 6y ago
> Ironically enough, Google is one of the few major tech companies that can't be compelled to hand over information to China. Interestingly enough, Google gets bashed most on HN than all the other companies in this list combined.
- ehsankia 6y ago
  Just a small correction, Facebook is also not in China, IIRC. It lead to some truly fantastic moments with Zuck grandstanding while every other company was being bashed for bowing down to China last year. Truly bizarro world.
- parthdesai 6y ago
  And Apple get lauded for its privacy efforts. If you point out the hypocrisy, you quickly get down voted.
  - xvector 6y ago
    Both are PRISM partners so meh.
  - jacobush 6y ago
    There is some difference though. You can turn off iCloud and then device lock an Apple phone and make it rather secure. No such option exists for an Android phone. I agree with your general idea though, but I want to nuance. Apple gets too much credit for their privacy efforts, and Google gets too little shit. Apples efforts only look good compared to Amazon, Google and Microsoft, but that's because they are so bad.
    - three_seagrass 6y ago
      Android does not have an iCloud equivalent, so naturally Android is not going to have a setting to disable sharing cloud data with the Chinese government. Google Drive doesn't work in China because Google isn't kowtowing the way Apple is.

russli1993 6y ago

The subsidiaries of these companies are subject to the intelligence law and whatever data these subsidiaries owns. If apple keeps US data away from the apple subsidiary in China then Apple is physically impossible to hand the data to Chinese government

three_seagrass 6y ago
Apple keeps data in China. [1] They specifically made the move because of China's National Intelligence Law. [2] >To comply with the law, for instance, Apple announced that it would transfer the operation of iCloud in Mainland China to a government-sponsored data company named Guizhou-Cloud Big Data. [1] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy-betrayal-for-chinese-icloud-users/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#Effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Internet_Security_Law#Ef...
- jchb 6y ago
  Yes, but they only store data in China for Chinese customers (as per the registered region of the Apple ID). [1] [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351
  - three_seagrass 6y ago
    Right, which is still Apple complying with the Chinese National Intelligence Law and giving up private customer data to the Chinese government.
judge2020 6y ago
This is effectively what TikTok is (claims to be) doing as well https://www.bytedance.com/en/#corporate-structure https://www.bytedance.com/en/#corporate-structure

johncena33 6y ago

> Ironically enough, Google is one of the few major tech companies that can't be compelled to hand over information to China. Interestingly enough, Google gets bashed most on HN than all the other companies in this list combined.

ehsankia 6y ago
Just a small correction, Facebook is also not in China, IIRC. It lead to some truly fantastic moments with Zuck grandstanding while every other company was being bashed for bowing down to China last year. Truly bizarro world.
parthdesai 6y ago
And Apple get lauded for its privacy efforts. If you point out the hypocrisy, you quickly get down voted.
- xvector 6y ago
  Both are PRISM partners so meh.
- jacobush 6y ago
  There is some difference though. You can turn off iCloud and then device lock an Apple phone and make it rather secure. No such option exists for an Android phone. I agree with your general idea though, but I want to nuance. Apple gets too much credit for their privacy efforts, and Google gets too little shit. Apples efforts only look good compared to Amazon, Google and Microsoft, but that's because they are so bad.
  - three_seagrass 6y ago
    Android does not have an iCloud equivalent, so naturally Android is not going to have a setting to disable sharing cloud data with the Chinese government. Google Drive doesn't work in China because Google isn't kowtowing the way Apple is.