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Which statements? This is what they say when you select the full self driving option when ordering a car: >The currently enabled features require active driver

Which statements? This is what they say when you select the full self driving option when ordering a car: >The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
We need to break this down and examine it part by part and in whole as it’s extremely ambiguous to me what this is saying.
- tenuousemphasis 6y ago
  Go ahead and read it slowly a few times. It's clear to me.
SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago
All Tesla vehicles have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances - https://www.tesla.com/model3 https://www.tesla.com/model3 Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really. - https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design Tesla will be able to make its vehicles completely autonomous by the end of this year, founder Elon Musk has said. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53349313 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53349313
- tenuousemphasis 6y ago
  >All Tesla vehicles have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances Probably true. >Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really. It does. Poorly but it's gotten a lot better. >Tesla will be able to make its vehicles completely autonomous by the end of this year, founder Elon Musk has said. A CEO making optimistic projections. Where are these lies?
  - SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago
    These are all optimistic projections stated as fact. I think we simply disagree on whether to call that a lie.
    - Ajedi32 6y ago
      Agreed. Personally I think it depends on whether the projections are being made in good faith. Being wrong about something doesn't make you a liar unless you knew you were wrong when you made the statement in the first place.
  - computerex 6y ago
    > Probably true. That's merely speculation. Speculation and projections shouldn't be marketed as fact. The fact is that Tesla has no where near the capability of full self-driving now, and they aren't even remotely close. So claiming that the current hardware configuration will be enough seems foolishly optimistic at best and deceitful at worst. If they were very close to the milestone then perhaps claims like that would have more weight. > It does. Poorly but it's gotten a lot better. Look at the myriad of videos on YT demonstrating how spectacularly the car fails in doing this. > A CEO making optimistic projections. > Where are these lies? There is a difference between making optimistic projections that are realistic and achievable based on current capabilities and data, and what Elon Musk has said with Tesla and FSD. Mark my words, he is just going to shift the goal-post, like he always does. And he is going to cheat customers out of thousands of dollars.
summerlight 6y ago
https://www.zdnet.com/article/teslas-elon-musk-our-fully-autonomous-cars-are-now-very-close/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/teslas-elon-musk-our-fully-aut...

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

We need to break this down and examine it part by part and in whole as it’s extremely ambiguous to me what this is saying.

tenuousemphasis 6y ago
Go ahead and read it slowly a few times. It's clear to me.

SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago

All Tesla vehicles have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances - https://www.tesla.com/model3 https://www.tesla.com/model3 Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really. - https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design Tesla will be able to make its vehicles completely autonomous by the end of this year, founder Elon Musk has said. - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53349313 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53349313

tenuousemphasis 6y ago
>All Tesla vehicles have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances Probably true. >Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really. It does. Poorly but it's gotten a lot better. >Tesla will be able to make its vehicles completely autonomous by the end of this year, founder Elon Musk has said. A CEO making optimistic projections. Where are these lies?
- SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago
  These are all optimistic projections stated as fact. I think we simply disagree on whether to call that a lie.
  - Ajedi32 6y ago
    Agreed. Personally I think it depends on whether the projections are being made in good faith. Being wrong about something doesn't make you a liar unless you knew you were wrong when you made the statement in the first place.
- computerex 6y ago
  > Probably true. That's merely speculation. Speculation and projections shouldn't be marketed as fact. The fact is that Tesla has no where near the capability of full self-driving now, and they aren't even remotely close. So claiming that the current hardware configuration will be enough seems foolishly optimistic at best and deceitful at worst. If they were very close to the milestone then perhaps claims like that would have more weight. > It does. Poorly but it's gotten a lot better. Look at the myriad of videos on YT demonstrating how spectacularly the car fails in doing this. > A CEO making optimistic projections. > Where are these lies? There is a difference between making optimistic projections that are realistic and achievable based on current capabilities and data, and what Elon Musk has said with Tesla and FSD. Mark my words, he is just going to shift the goal-post, like he always does. And he is going to cheat customers out of thousands of dollars.

summerlight 6y ago

https://www.zdnet.com/article/teslas-elon-musk-our-fully-autonomous-cars-are-now-very-close/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/teslas-elon-musk-our-fully-aut...