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This was election year red meat for Trump's base, which his campaign has explicitly made their sole focus. It lets them tell the true believers that Trump tried

This was election year red meat for Trump's base, which his campaign has explicitly made their sole focus. It lets them tell the true believers that Trump tried to keep the evil foreigners out but the liberal deep state traitors stopped him, that's why they need to keep supporting Trump. That's what's behind all of these absurd attacks on immigrants, queer people, etc that instantly get struck down.

quadrifoliate 6y ago
Yeah, in some ways this was the perfect outcome for that kind of posturing. Anecdotally, it seems to me that an actual drop in international student numbers would likely have hurt colleges in Republican-controlled states worse than Democrat-controlled ones. American students armed with student loans would still flock to top universities to make up for the international student shortfall, and I can't think of a top 10 [1] university off the top of my head that's in a state with a Republican governor. [1] https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-unive...
- didgeoridoo 6y ago
  Harvard and MIT don’t come to mind? (Mass. Gov Charlie Baker is a Republican)
  - ojbyrne 6y ago
    And Johns Hopkins (MD) makes 3 out of 10.
    - ericd 6y ago
      MD is pretty blue, but the governorship flips back and forth. Similar to MA.
  - tropdrop 6y ago
    I think those count as "blue states with moderate Republican governors," in quadrifoliate's mind. Very recently, Illinois the state trumped Chicago the city and successfully elected Bruce Rauner (Republican businessman) as governor in 2015. The result was the Illinois Budget Impasse. [1] Rauner was swiftly succeeded by a blue Governor in the next election. I think the above poster's point is states like Massachusetts (Deval Patrick->Charlie Baker) or Illinois tend to zigzag between blue governors and red governors, which shows they aren't "Republican controlled" like truly red states. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Budget_Impasse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Budget_Impasse
    - quadrifoliate 6y ago
      > I think those count as "blue states with moderate Republican governors," in quadrifoliate's mind. Yeah, that's dead on, clearly I have a lot to learn about US politics :) I didn't even think of checking, how does Massachusetts elect a Republican Governor?
      - panzagl 6y ago
        Because there's more to the state than Boston.
- iskander 6y ago
  Setting aside blue states with moderate Republican governors, I see: 1/10 (Duke) 5/20 (Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U) 15/45 (Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U, Emory, Ann Arbor, Wake Forest, UVa, Georgia Tech, UNC-CH, UF, Case Western, College of William and Mary, Tulane) I doubt the split would be at the top 10 because they're simply too small to absorb all the domestic demand. I'm not sure how far down the list, however, would be the switch point between benefit and harm (or if it would be determined purely by rankings vs. some other consideration).
  - vtbassmatt 6y ago
    NC and VA both have Democrat governors.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    As far as Tulane goes, JBE (Louisiana) is a Democrat. Gretchen Whitmer is in MI too.
    - iskander 6y ago
      No true Redstate?
- monkeyfacebag 6y ago
  I wanted to kick out the students but I wasn't able to convince the deep state so re-elect me isn't the most compelling campaign message under any scenario.
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    That's assuming that the way things work is you appeal to voters who desire certain policies and someone to implement them. Whether or not you agree, it seems to be a thing these days to argue that the Republican party has transcended that. See: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/349155/post-policy-politics-what https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/349155/post-poli...
  - hindsightbias 6y ago
    Checking ABC, CNN, NBC... this news reported on front page. But there is one major network where it doesn’t appear. So it’s probably winning if you don’t ever hear about the loss.

quadrifoliate 6y ago

Yeah, in some ways this was the perfect outcome for that kind of posturing. Anecdotally, it seems to me that an actual drop in international student numbers would likely have hurt colleges in Republican-controlled states worse than Democrat-controlled ones. American students armed with student loans would still flock to top universities to make up for the international student shortfall, and I can't think of a top 10 [1] university off the top of my head that's in a state with a Republican governor. [1] https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-unive...

didgeoridoo 6y ago
Harvard and MIT don’t come to mind? (Mass. Gov Charlie Baker is a Republican)
- ojbyrne 6y ago
  And Johns Hopkins (MD) makes 3 out of 10.
  - ericd 6y ago
    MD is pretty blue, but the governorship flips back and forth. Similar to MA.
- tropdrop 6y ago
  I think those count as "blue states with moderate Republican governors," in quadrifoliate's mind. Very recently, Illinois the state trumped Chicago the city and successfully elected Bruce Rauner (Republican businessman) as governor in 2015. The result was the Illinois Budget Impasse. [1] Rauner was swiftly succeeded by a blue Governor in the next election. I think the above poster's point is states like Massachusetts (Deval Patrick->Charlie Baker) or Illinois tend to zigzag between blue governors and red governors, which shows they aren't "Republican controlled" like truly red states. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Budget_Impasse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Budget_Impasse
  - quadrifoliate 6y ago
    > I think those count as "blue states with moderate Republican governors," in quadrifoliate's mind. Yeah, that's dead on, clearly I have a lot to learn about US politics :) I didn't even think of checking, how does Massachusetts elect a Republican Governor?
    - panzagl 6y ago
      Because there's more to the state than Boston.
iskander 6y ago
Setting aside blue states with moderate Republican governors, I see: 1/10 (Duke) 5/20 (Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U) 15/45 (Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, Wash U, Emory, Ann Arbor, Wake Forest, UVa, Georgia Tech, UNC-CH, UF, Case Western, College of William and Mary, Tulane) I doubt the split would be at the top 10 because they're simply too small to absorb all the domestic demand. I'm not sure how far down the list, however, would be the switch point between benefit and harm (or if it would be determined purely by rankings vs. some other consideration).
- vtbassmatt 6y ago
  NC and VA both have Democrat governors.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  As far as Tulane goes, JBE (Louisiana) is a Democrat. Gretchen Whitmer is in MI too.
  - iskander 6y ago
    No true Redstate?
monkeyfacebag 6y ago
I wanted to kick out the students but I wasn't able to convince the deep state so re-elect me isn't the most compelling campaign message under any scenario.
- perl4ever 6y ago
  That's assuming that the way things work is you appeal to voters who desire certain policies and someone to implement them. Whether or not you agree, it seems to be a thing these days to argue that the Republican party has transcended that. See: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/349155/post-policy-politics-what https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/349155/post-poli...
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  Checking ABC, CNN, NBC... this news reported on front page. But there is one major network where it doesn’t appear. So it’s probably winning if you don’t ever hear about the loss.