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> they are free to travel anywhere within the united states. Theoretically that's true for on-campus courses too. Most (at least that I know of) universities d

by amf12 6y ago

> they are free to travel anywhere within the united states. Theoretically that's true for on-campus courses too. Most (at least that I know of) universities don't track attendance. So the students are still free to travel anywhere as long as they keep submitting online assignments and are physically present for any exams.

gwright 6y ago
In the absence of the disruption to existing educational plans caused by the COVID-19 health emergency, why would foreign students (or any students) want to pay the regular tuition for 100% online instruction, and why would that require them to be physically in the US (i.e. to have a visa)? And why would a educational institution want to have the responsibility for keeping track of the physical location of students taking a 100% online instruction?
- amf12 6y ago
  > In the absence of the disruption to existing educational plans caused by the COVID-19 health emergency But there is disruption caused due to the health emergency. > why would foreign students (or any students) want to pay the regular tuition for 100% online instruction They wouldn't and embassies are closed, so no new students are coming to attend the online courses. The students we are talking about are already in the US. The choice they have is drop out or continue with online courses. Whether they should pay 100% tuition or not is a separate argument. > and why would that require them to be physically in the US (i.e. to have a visa) They are already in the US. Would the US government be willing to cancel their home leases, car loans or leases, so on and so forth? If not I don't see any reason to kick them out. Educational programs are typically between 2-6 years. These people have their life in the US right now. I don't see any reason to kick them out. > And why would a educational institution want to have the responsibility for keeping track of the physical location of students taking a 100% online instruction? They don't have to is what my previous comment you replied to is implying.
TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
Attendance is tracked at any university with students that receive federal aid... So most of them.
- newen 6y ago
  You're probably thinking of universities submitting the number of students registered for each course. Attendance, how many students physically attend each class on a given day and which students do, is never tracked except by the occasional oddball professor who base grades on attendance.
- filoleg 6y ago
  This is so obviously wrong. Source: I went to a public state school less than 10 years ago and I (along with many other students) received federal aid. 90% of the classes I took didn't require attendance, and the ones that did were mostly general studies courses for freshmen (like basic lab sciences or language classes). None of the major-related courses required attendance or had it as a component of the final grade (which in my case would be maths and CS classes). Obviously, you still had to attend midterms and final exams. And each of those classes would have a couple of prodigies who would attend zero lectures and still end up doing very well in the class (with many more who attempted that and failed massively, but still). The only way of legitimately interpreting the meaning of your reply is that universities receiving federal aid are required to submit the list of students registered for each course. That has nothing to do with attendance though.
  - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
    You are so obviously wrong. Every single class I took had attendance taken. I went to university a few years ago. https://www.lssu.edu/financial-aid/retaining-aid-eligibility/attendance-policy-federal-financial-aid-recipients/ https://www.lssu.edu/financial-aid/retaining-aid-eligibility...
    - ponker 6y ago
      You are both wrong because you're making strongly absolutist claims. Why don't you both get it through your heads that different situations can be different.

by amf12 6y ago

gwright 6y ago

In the absence of the disruption to existing educational plans caused by the COVID-19 health emergency, why would foreign students (or any students) want to pay the regular tuition for 100% online instruction, and why would that require them to be physically in the US (i.e. to have a visa)? And why would a educational institution want to have the responsibility for keeping track of the physical location of students taking a 100% online instruction?

amf12 6y ago
> In the absence of the disruption to existing educational plans caused by the COVID-19 health emergency But there is disruption caused due to the health emergency. > why would foreign students (or any students) want to pay the regular tuition for 100% online instruction They wouldn't and embassies are closed, so no new students are coming to attend the online courses. The students we are talking about are already in the US. The choice they have is drop out or continue with online courses. Whether they should pay 100% tuition or not is a separate argument. > and why would that require them to be physically in the US (i.e. to have a visa) They are already in the US. Would the US government be willing to cancel their home leases, car loans or leases, so on and so forth? If not I don't see any reason to kick them out. Educational programs are typically between 2-6 years. These people have their life in the US right now. I don't see any reason to kick them out. > And why would a educational institution want to have the responsibility for keeping track of the physical location of students taking a 100% online instruction? They don't have to is what my previous comment you replied to is implying.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago

Attendance is tracked at any university with students that receive federal aid... So most of them.

newen 6y ago
You're probably thinking of universities submitting the number of students registered for each course. Attendance, how many students physically attend each class on a given day and which students do, is never tracked except by the occasional oddball professor who base grades on attendance.
filoleg 6y ago
This is so obviously wrong. Source: I went to a public state school less than 10 years ago and I (along with many other students) received federal aid. 90% of the classes I took didn't require attendance, and the ones that did were mostly general studies courses for freshmen (like basic lab sciences or language classes). None of the major-related courses required attendance or had it as a component of the final grade (which in my case would be maths and CS classes). Obviously, you still had to attend midterms and final exams. And each of those classes would have a couple of prodigies who would attend zero lectures and still end up doing very well in the class (with many more who attempted that and failed massively, but still). The only way of legitimately interpreting the meaning of your reply is that universities receiving federal aid are required to submit the list of students registered for each course. That has nothing to do with attendance though.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
  You are so obviously wrong. Every single class I took had attendance taken. I went to university a few years ago. https://www.lssu.edu/financial-aid/retaining-aid-eligibility/attendance-policy-federal-financial-aid-recipients/ https://www.lssu.edu/financial-aid/retaining-aid-eligibility...
  - ponker 6y ago
    You are both wrong because you're making strongly absolutist claims. Why don't you both get it through your heads that different situations can be different.