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AMD is becoming as user hostile as Intel; the only interesting Threadrippers for pros that need a lot of RAM, and all is restricted to OEMs only. After the x399

by bitL 6y ago

AMD is becoming as user hostile as Intel; the only interesting Threadrippers for pros that need a lot of RAM, and all is restricted to OEMs only. After the x399 upgrade fiasco, here comes another blow to loyal users.

derision 6y ago
I'm a pro and have no qualms about an OEM machine. All my work machines have been OEM machines.
smolder 6y ago
This doesn't strike me as user hostile at all. What is wrong with buying an OEM machine under warranty if you really have a use case for all that memory bandwidth? If you're custom building PCs, I really doubt you're under-served by their existing lineup. Any time savings you'd get working on a TR Pro machine over regular TR or Ryzen are probably negated by the time you spent fiddling around with assembling the computer and configuring it. IMO, there are too many computer enthusiasts out there fixated on having powerful machines as a sort of status symbol. It ends up being a waste of good computer parts.
- bitL 6y ago
  I am absolutely under-served by their existing line up - what's the point of a 64 core CPU that has only 256GB of RAM? That's only 2GB/thread. I can also build a far better machine than any OEM can provide me and select appropriate components for my needs, including a breathtaking case design that is nothing like a random workstation box provided by an OEM or a high-end water cooling for all subparts. If you are already spending money on 3990X, you can afford 1TB+ RAM, but there is no way... Assembling an own machine is a question of 2-3 hours tops. That's definitely a small fixed amount of time compared to life-time time savings - was that a joke?
  - smolder 6y ago
    "breathtaking case design"? Is your reply a joke? What do you do with this powerful machine that you feel limited by 2GB per thread? What's stopping you from using Epyc if you need the ram? How long would it really take you to get back, say, 5 hours of building a computer, in cpu time savings from having a TR pro over regular TR? Maybe if you do video editing or a lot of compilation it would only take a month.
    - bitL 6y ago
      EPYC is typically ~30% slower than a TR. With TR Pro I would be able to do tasks that require >256GB of RAM, so the time saving compared to TR would be infinite. Now please spare me telling me how almost no tasks need that much or a similar prose - be happy that in your case it's sufficient. Thanks!
  - fomine3 6y ago
    EC2 C5a instances provide resources in 1vCPU(=Thread):2GB ratio. Would you say it's useless?
    - bitL 6y ago
      Do you really need me to state that C5a is not useless? OTOH, could you imagine scenarios, where those 2GB/thread wouldn't be sufficient? Could you imagine there are users hitting those limits? Or do you think "one size fits all"?

by bitL 6y ago

derision 6y ago

I'm a pro and have no qualms about an OEM machine. All my work machines have been OEM machines.

smolder 6y ago

This doesn't strike me as user hostile at all. What is wrong with buying an OEM machine under warranty if you really have a use case for all that memory bandwidth? If you're custom building PCs, I really doubt you're under-served by their existing lineup. Any time savings you'd get working on a TR Pro machine over regular TR or Ryzen are probably negated by the time you spent fiddling around with assembling the computer and configuring it. IMO, there are too many computer enthusiasts out there fixated on having powerful machines as a sort of status symbol. It ends up being a waste of good computer parts.

bitL 6y ago
I am absolutely under-served by their existing line up - what's the point of a 64 core CPU that has only 256GB of RAM? That's only 2GB/thread. I can also build a far better machine than any OEM can provide me and select appropriate components for my needs, including a breathtaking case design that is nothing like a random workstation box provided by an OEM or a high-end water cooling for all subparts. If you are already spending money on 3990X, you can afford 1TB+ RAM, but there is no way... Assembling an own machine is a question of 2-3 hours tops. That's definitely a small fixed amount of time compared to life-time time savings - was that a joke?
- smolder 6y ago
  "breathtaking case design"? Is your reply a joke? What do you do with this powerful machine that you feel limited by 2GB per thread? What's stopping you from using Epyc if you need the ram? How long would it really take you to get back, say, 5 hours of building a computer, in cpu time savings from having a TR pro over regular TR? Maybe if you do video editing or a lot of compilation it would only take a month.
  - bitL 6y ago
    EPYC is typically ~30% slower than a TR. With TR Pro I would be able to do tasks that require >256GB of RAM, so the time saving compared to TR would be infinite. Now please spare me telling me how almost no tasks need that much or a similar prose - be happy that in your case it's sufficient. Thanks!
- fomine3 6y ago
  EC2 C5a instances provide resources in 1vCPU(=Thread):2GB ratio. Would you say it's useless?
  - bitL 6y ago
    Do you really need me to state that C5a is not useless? OTOH, could you imagine scenarios, where those 2GB/thread wouldn't be sufficient? Could you imagine there are users hitting those limits? Or do you think "one size fits all"?