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Edit: the link broke shortly after I posted it, this one is working: https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ Bough

Edit: the link broke shortly after I posted it, this one is working: https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ Bought Doom Eternal on the steam sale just recently and found this: "Customer Records: paper and electronic customer records containing personal information, such as name, signature, physical characteristics or description, address, telephone number, education, current employment, employment history, social security number, passport number, driver’s license or state identification card number, insurance policy number, bank account number, credit card number, debit card number, or any other financial or payment information, medical information, or health insurance information." This is explicitly listed as collected and disclosed They also list browsing history: "Usage Data: internet or other electronic network activity information, including, but not limited to, browsing history"

BitwiseFool 6y ago
I'm glad you found and posted this. I'm surprised at how much this policy page looks like a website from 1995. How did you find this?
- akerro 6y ago
  >I'm surprised at how much this policy page looks like a website from 1995. It's almost as someone planned to make it hard to read!
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - tzs 6y ago
    How is it hard to read? Both versions I've seen linked here are essentially plain text with sensible use of simple styling (bold and italics), with a couple tables of text, and some borders in a couple sections to group things. The only things that might make it a little harder for some people are one of them used green text on a black background, and for both of them if you browser window is wide the lines might be a bit too long.
- dawnerd 6y ago
  It's what happens when legal gives the web team a word document and they don't feel like spending the time to make it look nice. Been there, it's awful.
Argorak 6y ago
> Edit: the link broke shortly after I posted it, this one is working: https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ Now this one isn't working for me and the original works.
ocdtrekkie 6y ago
I'd want to say: "Good thing they don't have access to any of that", but unfortunately, one place Steam has not innovated at all is security: It's very good at installing games on your computer, but those games can mostly do whatever they want once they're there. Microsoft got a lot of hate (some deserved, some not) for pushing the Microsoft Store and UWP as a potential game distribution platform (originally with some exclusives from the Xbox side of the world), but for all its faults, it used sandboxing.
- falcolas 6y ago
  It's ironic you post this after Bethesda installed a root-kit anti-cheat for this very game (yes, it has since been updated, but not automatically removed if it was already there). So, yeah, they may have very well collected that data from your hard drive. EDIT: Brain flatulance, s/DRM/anti-cheat/g
  - dx87 6y ago
    It wasn't even DRM, it was anti-cheat that only ran when you launched the game, and it's not like it was a secret that it was added in an update. Your comment is pure FUD.
    - ubercow13 6y ago
      Anti-cheat is even worse. There is a peverse incentive for the publisher to spy on your computer that isn't there so much with DRM. You can imagine them thinking it would be a good idea to upload your 'suspicious' files that might be cheat-related to their servers for analysis.
    - falcolas 6y ago
      It was not a secret, but it certainly caused an uproar, which prompted Bethesda to scale it back dramatically. Being in ring-0, it has access to all contents on disk, and all contents in memory. What is actually sent up to Bethesda's servers could be, quite literally, anything on your system. It's why Sony's rootkit DRM (got it right this time) was so poorly received a decade and a half ago - because you, as the computer's owner, can't control what it does or isolate its access.
danso 6y ago
I did a Google for the literal phrase "or any other financial or payment information, medical information, or health insurance information", and this seems like boilerplate that many other ToS use: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22or+any+other+financial+or+payment+information%2C+medical+information%2C+or+health+insurance+information.%22&oq=%22or+any+other+financial+or+payment+information%2C+medical+information%2C+or+health+insurance+information.%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22or+any+other+financial+or... Motel 6: https://www.motel6.com/en/app/privacy-policy.html https://www.motel6.com/en/app/privacy-policy.html Ritz-Carlton: https://www.ritzcarltonclub.com/privacy-ccpa.shtml https://www.ritzcarltonclub.com/privacy-ccpa.shtml Starz: https://www.starz.com/us/en/privacy https://www.starz.com/us/en/privacy Papa Murphys: https://www.papamurphys.com/privacy-policy https://www.papamurphys.com/privacy-policy
- jjoonathan 6y ago
  I sure hope the law treats these cancerous contracts of adhesion with the full contempt they are due. Somehow I doubt it does, though :/
A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
I personally think that a single player game should not be hoovering up data to begin with. Just because they disclosed it 30 page contract almost no one reads does not make it right in any sense of the word. At best, it is legal. I am getting mildly miffed over the fact that I have to consider having my privacy raped to play a simple shooter game. How is this normal or even in the realm of being accepted AND defended?

BitwiseFool 6y ago

I'm glad you found and posted this. I'm surprised at how much this policy page looks like a website from 1995. How did you find this?

akerro 6y ago
>I'm surprised at how much this policy page looks like a website from 1995. It's almost as someone planned to make it hard to read!
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- tzs 6y ago
  How is it hard to read? Both versions I've seen linked here are essentially plain text with sensible use of simple styling (bold and italics), with a couple tables of text, and some borders in a couple sections to group things. The only things that might make it a little harder for some people are one of them used green text on a black background, and for both of them if you browser window is wide the lines might be a bit too long.
dawnerd 6y ago
It's what happens when legal gives the web team a word document and they don't feel like spending the time to make it look nice. Been there, it's awful.

Argorak 6y ago

> Edit: the link broke shortly after I posted it, this one is working: https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ https://www.zenimax.com/legal_privacy_us/ Now this one isn't working for me and the original works.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago

I'd want to say: "Good thing they don't have access to any of that", but unfortunately, one place Steam has not innovated at all is security: It's very good at installing games on your computer, but those games can mostly do whatever they want once they're there. Microsoft got a lot of hate (some deserved, some not) for pushing the Microsoft Store and UWP as a potential game distribution platform (originally with some exclusives from the Xbox side of the world), but for all its faults, it used sandboxing.

falcolas 6y ago
It's ironic you post this after Bethesda installed a root-kit anti-cheat for this very game (yes, it has since been updated, but not automatically removed if it was already there). So, yeah, they may have very well collected that data from your hard drive. EDIT: Brain flatulance, s/DRM/anti-cheat/g
- dx87 6y ago
  It wasn't even DRM, it was anti-cheat that only ran when you launched the game, and it's not like it was a secret that it was added in an update. Your comment is pure FUD.
  - ubercow13 6y ago
    Anti-cheat is even worse. There is a peverse incentive for the publisher to spy on your computer that isn't there so much with DRM. You can imagine them thinking it would be a good idea to upload your 'suspicious' files that might be cheat-related to their servers for analysis.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    It was not a secret, but it certainly caused an uproar, which prompted Bethesda to scale it back dramatically. Being in ring-0, it has access to all contents on disk, and all contents in memory. What is actually sent up to Bethesda's servers could be, quite literally, anything on your system. It's why Sony's rootkit DRM (got it right this time) was so poorly received a decade and a half ago - because you, as the computer's owner, can't control what it does or isolate its access.

danso 6y ago

I did a Google for the literal phrase "or any other financial or payment information, medical information, or health insurance information", and this seems like boilerplate that many other ToS use: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22or+any+other+financial+or+payment+information%2C+medical+information%2C+or+health+insurance+information.%22&oq=%22or+any+other+financial+or+payment+information%2C+medical+information%2C+or+health+insurance+information.%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22or+any+other+financial+or... Motel 6: https://www.motel6.com/en/app/privacy-policy.html https://www.motel6.com/en/app/privacy-policy.html Ritz-Carlton: https://www.ritzcarltonclub.com/privacy-ccpa.shtml https://www.ritzcarltonclub.com/privacy-ccpa.shtml Starz: https://www.starz.com/us/en/privacy https://www.starz.com/us/en/privacy Papa Murphys: https://www.papamurphys.com/privacy-policy https://www.papamurphys.com/privacy-policy

jjoonathan 6y ago
I sure hope the law treats these cancerous contracts of adhesion with the full contempt they are due. Somehow I doubt it does, though :/

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago

I personally think that a single player game should not be hoovering up data to begin with. Just because they disclosed it 30 page contract almost no one reads does not make it right in any sense of the word. At best, it is legal. I am getting mildly miffed over the fact that I have to consider having my privacy raped to play a simple shooter game. How is this normal or even in the realm of being accepted AND defended?