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Why do you feel you can downplay the oppressive and castrating stranglehold the regimes have on their population by mentioning tired and meaningless cliches abo

Why do you feel you can downplay the oppressive and castrating stranglehold the regimes have on their population by mentioning tired and meaningless cliches about how they were somehow oppressed before but now their life is an idillic existence? I mean, do you believe that all those poor martyrs who died trying to leave the country by boat just so happened to have floated away from their beach when they lost track of how much good times they were having?

aaomidi 6y ago
That's not what I'm saying at all. There is a lot to be said about the Cubans who escaped to the US. A revolution is inherently something that's going to break the stability of a country for a few years to few decades. That's simply a given when it comes to revolutions. The rich and privileged can find a way to escape the country during a revolution, especially if they don't believe the revolution will do them any good. What comes after a revolution is reconstruction of that stability, this is extremely difficult when you're being choked by the biggest economic power in the world. When have sanctions actually improved lives for anyone? When has deploying literal biological weapons helped anyone? The US doesn't play fair with economic systems that go against the grain the US has set. This is where the problem is. We can't even see if this alternate system would work or not because of how the US treats them.
- kls 6y ago
  So the US made every one of these alternative systems, turn into a dictatorship with an abominable human rights record? Did you see the old Cubans at Versailles (or for that fact all over Little Havana) celebrating Castro's death? Did they look like the rich of Cuba that fled. My father in law was a farmer, they took his families farm he was essentially poor, when they took it and destitute after the fact, he was sentenced to death at 16 for speaking out. He ran a mine field, after escaping prison to claim asylum by setting foot in Guantanamo, most Cuban's take their chances by boat because it is safer. It's delusional to think that communist systems have not been given their fair shake. They all failed and they all failed spectacularly due to the fact that they have a propensity to kill their own people when things don't go according to how the pie in the sky dreamer, dreamed it up.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > The rich and privileged Are you serious? Do you actually believe the balsetos risking their lives during the 90s in makeshift barges to escape Cuba's totalitarian stranglehold are the rich and priviledged escaping Castro in the 60s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Cuban_rafter_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Cuban_rafter_crisis
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    That article provides nothing about your claim. It's literally less than 2 pages of just historical information of what happened. I'm explaining what happens in a revolution. The rich and wealthy pack up and leave. This happens in basically every revolution.
    - rumanator 6y ago
      > That article provides nothing about your claim. It's literally less than 2 pages of just historical information of what happened. I've made no claims. I've presented facts regarding the 90s balsetos exodus from Cuba and requested you to clarify your baseless assertion that even nowadays only these so-called rich and powerful are anything less than stellar to report on Cuba's totalitarian and oppressive regime, even when you're faced with the facts that tens of thousands of people risked their lives to escape Cuba's stranglehold in makeshift barges. And somehow you preferred to deflect the question. Why is that?

aaomidi 6y ago

That's not what I'm saying at all. There is a lot to be said about the Cubans who escaped to the US. A revolution is inherently something that's going to break the stability of a country for a few years to few decades. That's simply a given when it comes to revolutions. The rich and privileged can find a way to escape the country during a revolution, especially if they don't believe the revolution will do them any good. What comes after a revolution is reconstruction of that stability, this is extremely difficult when you're being choked by the biggest economic power in the world. When have sanctions actually improved lives for anyone? When has deploying literal biological weapons helped anyone? The US doesn't play fair with economic systems that go against the grain the US has set. This is where the problem is. We can't even see if this alternate system would work or not because of how the US treats them.

kls 6y ago
So the US made every one of these alternative systems, turn into a dictatorship with an abominable human rights record? Did you see the old Cubans at Versailles (or for that fact all over Little Havana) celebrating Castro's death? Did they look like the rich of Cuba that fled. My father in law was a farmer, they took his families farm he was essentially poor, when they took it and destitute after the fact, he was sentenced to death at 16 for speaking out. He ran a mine field, after escaping prison to claim asylum by setting foot in Guantanamo, most Cuban's take their chances by boat because it is safer. It's delusional to think that communist systems have not been given their fair shake. They all failed and they all failed spectacularly due to the fact that they have a propensity to kill their own people when things don't go according to how the pie in the sky dreamer, dreamed it up.
rumanator 6y ago
> The rich and privileged Are you serious? Do you actually believe the balsetos risking their lives during the 90s in makeshift barges to escape Cuba's totalitarian stranglehold are the rich and priviledged escaping Castro in the 60s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Cuban_rafter_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Cuban_rafter_crisis
- aaomidi 6y ago
  That article provides nothing about your claim. It's literally less than 2 pages of just historical information of what happened. I'm explaining what happens in a revolution. The rich and wealthy pack up and leave. This happens in basically every revolution.
  - rumanator 6y ago
    > That article provides nothing about your claim. It's literally less than 2 pages of just historical information of what happened. I've made no claims. I've presented facts regarding the 90s balsetos exodus from Cuba and requested you to clarify your baseless assertion that even nowadays only these so-called rich and powerful are anything less than stellar to report on Cuba's totalitarian and oppressive regime, even when you're faced with the facts that tens of thousands of people risked their lives to escape Cuba's stranglehold in makeshift barges. And somehow you preferred to deflect the question. Why is that?