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> Am I a McCarthyist for rejecting him outright without hesitation? Yes. Why can’t he have an opposing view from you on immigration? I was on a visa and coul

> Am I a McCarthyist for rejecting him outright without hesitation? Yes. Why can’t he have an opposing view from you on immigration? I was on a visa and could still see the h1b program was being abused. We often have less than ideal experiences with other cultural groups. That’s normal. Is your work culture toxic because of your visa holders? Would you refuse to hire feminist women because you had a mostly male team?

some-guy 6y ago
McCarthy was a senator in high levels of government. When I consider who I'm employing to be around the people around me, I expect them to be judged on their merits of the job, not their country of origin or visa status. You can criticize H1B programs and their abuse, but saying there are too many Chinese and Indians explicitly and rejecting them for that is not "McCarthyism".
- iateanapple 6y ago
  > I expect them to be judged on their merits of the job, not their country of origin or visa status. So do I and so do the vast majority of people who want less immigration. > and rejecting them for that is not "McCarthyism". To be fair to the parent - it would be if you tried to make sure they weren’t hired anywhere. You were making a biased and snap judgement about a candidate - but that happens a lot in the interview process - same as if you rejected an African American candidate because you didn’t think they would fit in. What would you do if one of your existing employees was found to have that kind of twitter account?
  - some-guy 6y ago
    As I said: they _literally_ said, "There are too many Chinese and Indians" in the Bay Area. That's a no go. That is not the same as having subjective internal biases about an African American candidate.
    - iateanapple 6y ago
      They seem the same to me? You are saying you wouldn’t hire them because they wouldn’t fit into your work culture right? Or are you saying you wouldn’t hire them because you don’t like their beliefs?
      - hoteltree 6y ago
        Those two things are not the same. One is a statement made by a candidate that is at best insensitive to people of different races. The other is a poorly specified scenario where a black person does not fit in? For what reason do they not fit in? Is it because of their race or something else.
        iateanapple 6y ago
        > One is a statement made by a candidate that is at best insensitive to people of different races. It sounds like the parent thought the dev wouldn’t fit in with the other team members and so didn’t hire him. > The other is a poorly specified scenario where a black person does not fit in? It’s hard to fit in when you are a small minority.

some-guy 6y ago

McCarthy was a senator in high levels of government. When I consider who I'm employing to be around the people around me, I expect them to be judged on their merits of the job, not their country of origin or visa status. You can criticize H1B programs and their abuse, but saying there are too many Chinese and Indians explicitly and rejecting them for that is not "McCarthyism".

iateanapple 6y ago
> I expect them to be judged on their merits of the job, not their country of origin or visa status. So do I and so do the vast majority of people who want less immigration. > and rejecting them for that is not "McCarthyism". To be fair to the parent - it would be if you tried to make sure they weren’t hired anywhere. You were making a biased and snap judgement about a candidate - but that happens a lot in the interview process - same as if you rejected an African American candidate because you didn’t think they would fit in. What would you do if one of your existing employees was found to have that kind of twitter account?
- some-guy 6y ago
  As I said: they _literally_ said, "There are too many Chinese and Indians" in the Bay Area. That's a no go. That is not the same as having subjective internal biases about an African American candidate.
  - iateanapple 6y ago
    They seem the same to me? You are saying you wouldn’t hire them because they wouldn’t fit into your work culture right? Or are you saying you wouldn’t hire them because you don’t like their beliefs?
    - hoteltree 6y ago
      Those two things are not the same. One is a statement made by a candidate that is at best insensitive to people of different races. The other is a poorly specified scenario where a black person does not fit in? For what reason do they not fit in? Is it because of their race or something else.
      - iateanapple 6y ago
        > One is a statement made by a candidate that is at best insensitive to people of different races. It sounds like the parent thought the dev wouldn’t fit in with the other team members and so didn’t hire him. > The other is a poorly specified scenario where a black person does not fit in? It’s hard to fit in when you are a small minority.