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> What's "hyper-conservative" Judging by the strange bedfellows of the conservative movement, maybe Richard Spencer.

waiting_in_line 6y ago
Trying to lump Richard Spencer in with mainstream Republicans is like trying to lump in leaders of the radical black nationalist BLM organization or racist La Raza with mainstream Democrats. Oh wait, Republicans routinely condemn Spencer and his white nationalist ilk while mainstream Democrats openly embrace BLM, La Raza and other race-centric organizations. Looks like Democrats are really the ones openly embracing their "strange bedfellows"...
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  > Trying to lump Richard Spencer in with mainstream Republicans So you're suggesting someone more on the lines of a Paul Nehlen or a Steve King?
  - waiting_in_line 6y ago
    Steve King's comments were routinely taken out of context. For instance the "straw that broke the camel's back" moment for King was in 2019 when the NYTimes stated he said one thing while King said that his words were taken out of context and gave a reasonable explanation for how they were misinterpreted. The NYTimes never released actual audio of the conversation so it boosts King's case that his words were taken out of context. If they were truly incriminating, the Times could have released audio of the interview and cleared things up. That's what I know off the top of my head, as for Paul Nehlen, I'm not sure who he is. Of course I could name other examples. Democratic congresspeople routinely spew racist and inflammatory rhetoric that is never confronted by the Media precisely because the Media functions largely as a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.
    - ianleeclark 6y ago
      The dude kept a confederate flag on his desk, but keep going off about the Lügenpresse. The dude talked about how diversity would weaken us as a nation and lower quality of life. I don't know why you're bringing up Democrats, it's irrelevant to me. Sure, you're trying to deflect from the white supremacists in the Republican ranks, but you're going about it in the most smooth brained way. I can critique Republicans while not being a Democrat, but your tribalism is blinding you to that possibility.
      - waiting_in_line 6y ago
        I'm bringing up Democrats because it's important to understand how the Media shapes perspectives. Media doesn't give the two parties fair treatment, so what makes you think their denunciations of the Republicans are based in reality? Many of them are not. Many of the critiques of King and others are propaganda and lies. Many of the supposed "white supremacists" in the Republican ranks have just been branded that in order to discredit them for political purposes. Trump is a great example. It's often repeated he is a "white supremacist" or racist against various groups, but there's not really good evidence of that and actually much evidence to the contrary.
        ianleeclark 6y ago
        > Media doesn't give the two parties fair treatment, so what makes you think their denunciations of the Republicans are based in realities How are you just throwing out all the right-wing media? There's more than huffpo and wapo. On the right, you've got your Sinclair media groups, you've got your Fox news, all the media listed in this article were discussing, Breitbart, the daily stormer, the hill, and so on. There's a very large media base in the US for right-wing news, but, again, your aggrieved narrative glosses over the fact. > Many of the critiques of King and others are propaganda and lies. Except for those things that I mentioned that you're not going to touch with a ten foot poll.
  - irl_zebra 6y ago
    Those are probably more accurate. Steve King was a recent elected rep, and Paul Nehlen was a strong candidate. While Spencer espouses the same views as them, I think he probably vocalizes those views more than the current mainstream party is comfortable with.
- xenocyon 6y ago
  BLM is not "black nationalist". Where are you getting your facts from?
smsm42 6y ago
Richard Spencer has never been "bedfellow" of a conservative movement. That's plain lie.
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  He's the natural endpoint of American conservatism.
  - smsm42 6y ago
    No he isn't. That's total bullshit. He was repeatedly kicked out of every conservative outlet or conference he appeared in, he was denounced by all mainstream conservative politicians and he himself claimed that he invented the term "alternative right" to distance himself from conservative politicians.

Trying to lump Richard Spencer in with mainstream Republicans is like trying to lump in leaders of the radical black nationalist BLM organization or racist La Raza with mainstream Democrats. Oh wait, Republicans routinely condemn Spencer and his white nationalist ilk while mainstream Democrats openly embrace BLM, La Raza and other race-centric organizations. Looks like Democrats are really the ones openly embracing their "strange bedfellows"...

ianleeclark 6y ago
> Trying to lump Richard Spencer in with mainstream Republicans So you're suggesting someone more on the lines of a Paul Nehlen or a Steve King?
- waiting_in_line 6y ago
  Steve King's comments were routinely taken out of context. For instance the "straw that broke the camel's back" moment for King was in 2019 when the NYTimes stated he said one thing while King said that his words were taken out of context and gave a reasonable explanation for how they were misinterpreted. The NYTimes never released actual audio of the conversation so it boosts King's case that his words were taken out of context. If they were truly incriminating, the Times could have released audio of the interview and cleared things up. That's what I know off the top of my head, as for Paul Nehlen, I'm not sure who he is. Of course I could name other examples. Democratic congresspeople routinely spew racist and inflammatory rhetoric that is never confronted by the Media precisely because the Media functions largely as a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.
  - ianleeclark 6y ago
    The dude kept a confederate flag on his desk, but keep going off about the Lügenpresse. The dude talked about how diversity would weaken us as a nation and lower quality of life. I don't know why you're bringing up Democrats, it's irrelevant to me. Sure, you're trying to deflect from the white supremacists in the Republican ranks, but you're going about it in the most smooth brained way. I can critique Republicans while not being a Democrat, but your tribalism is blinding you to that possibility.
    - waiting_in_line 6y ago
      I'm bringing up Democrats because it's important to understand how the Media shapes perspectives. Media doesn't give the two parties fair treatment, so what makes you think their denunciations of the Republicans are based in reality? Many of them are not. Many of the critiques of King and others are propaganda and lies. Many of the supposed "white supremacists" in the Republican ranks have just been branded that in order to discredit them for political purposes. Trump is a great example. It's often repeated he is a "white supremacist" or racist against various groups, but there's not really good evidence of that and actually much evidence to the contrary.
      - ianleeclark 6y ago
        > Media doesn't give the two parties fair treatment, so what makes you think their denunciations of the Republicans are based in realities How are you just throwing out all the right-wing media? There's more than huffpo and wapo. On the right, you've got your Sinclair media groups, you've got your Fox news, all the media listed in this article were discussing, Breitbart, the daily stormer, the hill, and so on. There's a very large media base in the US for right-wing news, but, again, your aggrieved narrative glosses over the fact. > Many of the critiques of King and others are propaganda and lies. Except for those things that I mentioned that you're not going to touch with a ten foot poll.
- irl_zebra 6y ago
  Those are probably more accurate. Steve King was a recent elected rep, and Paul Nehlen was a strong candidate. While Spencer espouses the same views as them, I think he probably vocalizes those views more than the current mainstream party is comfortable with.
xenocyon 6y ago
BLM is not "black nationalist". Where are you getting your facts from?

smsm42 6y ago

Richard Spencer has never been "bedfellow" of a conservative movement. That's plain lie.

ianleeclark 6y ago
He's the natural endpoint of American conservatism.
- smsm42 6y ago
  No he isn't. That's total bullshit. He was repeatedly kicked out of every conservative outlet or conference he appeared in, he was denounced by all mainstream conservative politicians and he himself claimed that he invented the term "alternative right" to distance himself from conservative politicians.