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What's the alternative? What is the best source of information available to the public? It's easy to take potshots, show me a news source that's better.

rbecker 6y ago
The absence of a better news source doesn't mean we should be blind to its faults.
- jrumbut 6y ago
  Sure, but the grandparent doesn't say "I read the NYT but here are some flaws..." or "The Houston Chronicle is better because..." it says the entire enterprise has been directed "in support of bias". I am arguing against being blind to the news source's virtues. If we don't want to be blind to the world we have to pick our poison(s).
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    Fair enough. I find that Wall Street journal, Reuters, and NPR all do better jobs (in roughly that order) with respect to reigning-in their biases than the NYT.
    - zzleeper 6y ago
      WSJ? They do a better job at disguising their right-wing biases as reporting facts. I used to resd it daily 10-20 years ago but now I need to read it very carefully.
      - throwaway894345 6y ago
        WSJ isn’t perfect, but they aren’t “right-wing”, and they at least try to mask their biases, which makes them markedly better than NYT, WashPo, etc in my opinion.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > WSJ isn’t perfect, but they aren’t “right-wing” WSJ was solid right in the editorial but pretty neutral in news (though clear ideological bias was creeping in in the last decade or so) back before News Corp bought it out to augment their right-wing propaganda empire. Now, it's definitely more high-brow and less in-your-face, beat-you-over-the-head with unsubtle propaganda than, say, FOX News, but it's just as clearly directed at the same ends.
andreilys 6y ago
Financial times.
- esja 6y ago
  As a long-time subscriber I recommend very strongly against putting all your eggs in this basket. They are good on certain topics but have major blind spots. See my comments elsewhere in this thread.
- jrumbut 6y ago
  That's a great choice. I am curious if as an FT reader do you really hate the NYT or do you think FT is better but if it wasn't available NYT is readable.
  - andreilys 6y ago
    I don't hate NYT, I think it's compromised and diminished in quality but they still put out good content every once in a while. The incident with Scott Alexander of SSC left a particularly bad taste in my mouth. If FT wasn't available, I'd pay for Substack newsletters from trusted authorities.

rbecker 6y ago

The absence of a better news source doesn't mean we should be blind to its faults.

jrumbut 6y ago
Sure, but the grandparent doesn't say "I read the NYT but here are some flaws..." or "The Houston Chronicle is better because..." it says the entire enterprise has been directed "in support of bias". I am arguing against being blind to the news source's virtues. If we don't want to be blind to the world we have to pick our poison(s).
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  Fair enough. I find that Wall Street journal, Reuters, and NPR all do better jobs (in roughly that order) with respect to reigning-in their biases than the NYT.
  - zzleeper 6y ago
    WSJ? They do a better job at disguising their right-wing biases as reporting facts. I used to resd it daily 10-20 years ago but now I need to read it very carefully.
    - throwaway894345 6y ago
      WSJ isn’t perfect, but they aren’t “right-wing”, and they at least try to mask their biases, which makes them markedly better than NYT, WashPo, etc in my opinion.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > WSJ isn’t perfect, but they aren’t “right-wing” WSJ was solid right in the editorial but pretty neutral in news (though clear ideological bias was creeping in in the last decade or so) back before News Corp bought it out to augment their right-wing propaganda empire. Now, it's definitely more high-brow and less in-your-face, beat-you-over-the-head with unsubtle propaganda than, say, FOX News, but it's just as clearly directed at the same ends.

andreilys 6y ago

Financial times.

esja 6y ago
As a long-time subscriber I recommend very strongly against putting all your eggs in this basket. They are good on certain topics but have major blind spots. See my comments elsewhere in this thread.
jrumbut 6y ago
That's a great choice. I am curious if as an FT reader do you really hate the NYT or do you think FT is better but if it wasn't available NYT is readable.
- andreilys 6y ago
  I don't hate NYT, I think it's compromised and diminished in quality but they still put out good content every once in a while. The incident with Scott Alexander of SSC left a particularly bad taste in my mouth. If FT wasn't available, I'd pay for Substack newsletters from trusted authorities.