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You are not required to buy the "full self-driving" package when you buy a tesla. It is abundantly clear what the current feature set is. From https://www.tesl

You are not required to buy the "full self-driving" package when you buy a tesla. It is abundantly clear what the current feature set is. From https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot : > Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane. Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.

stetrain 6y ago
Requirement to buy has nothing to do with it. The page you linked has a video that says: "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself" They also sell a package literally named "Full Self-Driving Capability" Yes, they qualify it in smaller print, in the manual, on the website, etc. But the number of Youtube videos of people showing their car "driving itself" shows that there's definitely an implication that the car can almost drive itself and is constantly learning and getting better, reinforced by things said by Elon over the years. It's not blatantly incorrect, but it does all combine to create a picture than can be misleading for someone who doesn't dig into the details. And misleading marketing is what is being discussed by the court.
- Domenic_S 6y ago
  Right, the video is a tech demo of FSD. Directly above - the first words on the page - are: "All new Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features today, and full self-driving capabilities in the future" (emphasis mine) > They also sell a package literally named "Full Self-Driving Capability" Yes, and the option explains exactly what's included and what's future: https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#autopilot https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#autopilot > an implication that the car can almost drive itself and is constantly learning and getting better The car can almost drive itself, with driver supervision. On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot including lane changes and exits is real today. The car is constantly learning and getting better, we get neural network updates pushed to us that improve AP performance roughly monthly. Frankly your arguments prove the opposite of your point -- I know what AP does, you know what AP does; where are all these plebs that are supposedly being hoodwinked?

stetrain 6y ago

Requirement to buy has nothing to do with it. The page you linked has a video that says: "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself" They also sell a package literally named "Full Self-Driving Capability" Yes, they qualify it in smaller print, in the manual, on the website, etc. But the number of Youtube videos of people showing their car "driving itself" shows that there's definitely an implication that the car can almost drive itself and is constantly learning and getting better, reinforced by things said by Elon over the years. It's not blatantly incorrect, but it does all combine to create a picture than can be misleading for someone who doesn't dig into the details. And misleading marketing is what is being discussed by the court.

Domenic_S 6y ago
Right, the video is a tech demo of FSD. Directly above - the first words on the page - are: "All new Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features today, and full self-driving capabilities in the future" (emphasis mine) > They also sell a package literally named "Full Self-Driving Capability" Yes, and the option explains exactly what's included and what's future: https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#autopilot https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#autopilot > an implication that the car can almost drive itself and is constantly learning and getting better The car can almost drive itself, with driver supervision. On-ramp to off-ramp autopilot including lane changes and exits is real today. The car is constantly learning and getting better, we get neural network updates pushed to us that improve AP performance roughly monthly. Frankly your arguments prove the opposite of your point -- I know what AP does, you know what AP does; where are all these plebs that are supposedly being hoodwinked?