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> All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially great

> All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. My my, that is brazen!

jdminhbg 6y ago
It's also almost certainly true. Whether you think LIDAR-based systems are the way to go, there's no doubt that full self-driving based on cameras is possible given the right software. That's what humans are, after all, so it's "just" a matter of building the software to drive that hardware.
- smnrchrds 6y ago
  Apple, HP, etc should take note and sell their laptops as "have the hardware needed for full AGI capability." Chemistry kits with a sample of every element in the periodic table should advertise them as "have all the materials needed for COVID-19 vaccine."
  - sgnelson 6y ago
    It's just software. How hard can it be? /s
    - jdminhbg 6y ago
      That’s why I put “just” in scare quotes.
  - typon 6y ago
    Beaches are just unrealized silicon chips
  - frenchy 6y ago
    > Chemistry kits with a sample of every element in the periodic table should advertise them as "have all the materials needed for COVID-19 vaccine. Not that this invalidates your point at all, but doing that literally would actually be extremely expensive and difficult for some of the elements.
    - smnrchrds 6y ago
      It will be worth it. After all, COVID-19 vaccine is priceless. /s
    - perl4ever 6y ago
      Surely the extremely expensive and difficult to obtain elements aren't going to be in any vaccine.
- bra-ket 6y ago
  the "right software" is nowhere to be found though
  - jdminhbg 6y ago
    They don’t claim to have it. I’m just pointing out that the claim as written is true.
    - dlp211 6y ago
      It's may or may not be, and most likely not. Humans are more than just software, they are also hardware. And no, the consumer grade cameras included in Tesla vehicles are not replicas for eyeballs.
      - readams 6y ago
        A human could likely drive just fine using only those cameras though.
Nagyman 6y ago
"have the hardware needed" ... being legalese/marketing speak for "the hardware may indeed be capable, but the software is not (yet)". So they're gearing people to expect the full self-driving capability, _eventually_. Shady to say the least.
- fluffything 6y ago
  That marketing was not misleading, it was and still is a lie. They have upgraded the hardware at least 3 times already. The first time this lie might have been just sheer incompetence. But after three upgrades, I can only assume that the lie is malicious and negligent. Musk has been claiming that his "fleet" of 10,000 robotaxis will arrive next year for a couple of years already. I mean, he is going to be right eventually. But Tesla's competition, e.g., NVIDIA et al., are claiming that for full-self driving we'll at least need hardware with an order of magnitude more TOPs than what the current generation provides, and that we won't see that hardware before 2022-2023. They are also not promising that this hardware will suffice, only that they are pretty sure that it cannot be done without it. I'm skeptical of Tesla's claims to say the least, but I guess we'll see. Statistically speaking, Musk predictions about when we are going to see full-self driving have been 100% wrong to date.
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- PeterStuer 6y ago
  How do you know the hardware is sufficient before you achieve the "full self driving" goal?
HumblyTossed 6y ago
Big huge banner: "Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars"
dlp211 6y ago
This is rich. I was watching a K8S/Puppet video from 2016 on YouTube today. In that video, the presenter pulls up HackerNews and the 6th item on HackerNews at that time was exactly this: All Tesla vehicles now have all the hardware needed for full self-driving capability

jdminhbg 6y ago

It's also almost certainly true. Whether you think LIDAR-based systems are the way to go, there's no doubt that full self-driving based on cameras is possible given the right software. That's what humans are, after all, so it's "just" a matter of building the software to drive that hardware.

smnrchrds 6y ago
Apple, HP, etc should take note and sell their laptops as "have the hardware needed for full AGI capability." Chemistry kits with a sample of every element in the periodic table should advertise them as "have all the materials needed for COVID-19 vaccine."
- sgnelson 6y ago
  It's just software. How hard can it be? /s
  - jdminhbg 6y ago
    That’s why I put “just” in scare quotes.
- typon 6y ago
  Beaches are just unrealized silicon chips
- frenchy 6y ago
  > Chemistry kits with a sample of every element in the periodic table should advertise them as "have all the materials needed for COVID-19 vaccine. Not that this invalidates your point at all, but doing that literally would actually be extremely expensive and difficult for some of the elements.
  - smnrchrds 6y ago
    It will be worth it. After all, COVID-19 vaccine is priceless. /s
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    Surely the extremely expensive and difficult to obtain elements aren't going to be in any vaccine.
bra-ket 6y ago
the "right software" is nowhere to be found though
- jdminhbg 6y ago
  They don’t claim to have it. I’m just pointing out that the claim as written is true.
  - dlp211 6y ago
    It's may or may not be, and most likely not. Humans are more than just software, they are also hardware. And no, the consumer grade cameras included in Tesla vehicles are not replicas for eyeballs.
    - readams 6y ago
      A human could likely drive just fine using only those cameras though.

Nagyman 6y ago

"have the hardware needed" ... being legalese/marketing speak for "the hardware may indeed be capable, but the software is not (yet)". So they're gearing people to expect the full self-driving capability, _eventually_. Shady to say the least.

fluffything 6y ago
That marketing was not misleading, it was and still is a lie. They have upgraded the hardware at least 3 times already. The first time this lie might have been just sheer incompetence. But after three upgrades, I can only assume that the lie is malicious and negligent. Musk has been claiming that his "fleet" of 10,000 robotaxis will arrive next year for a couple of years already. I mean, he is going to be right eventually. But Tesla's competition, e.g., NVIDIA et al., are claiming that for full-self driving we'll at least need hardware with an order of magnitude more TOPs than what the current generation provides, and that we won't see that hardware before 2022-2023. They are also not promising that this hardware will suffice, only that they are pretty sure that it cannot be done without it. I'm skeptical of Tesla's claims to say the least, but I guess we'll see. Statistically speaking, Musk predictions about when we are going to see full-self driving have been 100% wrong to date.
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PeterStuer 6y ago
How do you know the hardware is sufficient before you achieve the "full self driving" goal?

HumblyTossed 6y ago

Big huge banner: "Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars"

dlp211 6y ago

This is rich. I was watching a K8S/Puppet video from 2016 on YouTube today. In that video, the presenter pulls up HackerNews and the 6th item on HackerNews at that time was exactly this: All Tesla vehicles now have all the hardware needed for full self-driving capability