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This just reads as a systems engineer who is angry about new tooling/processes replacing parts of their job.

runawaybottle 6y ago
I think he/she made it clear it is needlessly replacing parts of the job. The question is, should one feel any one way about that. I’d imagine it would be the most annoying thing on earth, so it’s a valid emotion being expressed.
- miked85 6y ago
  > I think he/she made it clear it is needlessly replacing parts of the job Maybe? There weren't any actual reasons for why the author so vehemently disliked all of the technologies mentioned, and there was certainly no acknowledgement of the potential benefits of them.
  - mst 6y ago
    "This is systems. You are to be trying to be clever. Please stop." is a damn good rule of thumb and I think lots of people tend to go all-in on k8s without considering whether their use of the features will actually justify the level of additional clever so introduced. To me, that being the 'actual reasons' was implicit from the rant - I don't disagree that it was a rant rather than an argument.
  - mrguyorama 6y ago
    The author is arguing that simple, easy to use, and easy for hobbyists and upstarts to learn tools are being replaced by complex systems designed by and for the 1% of companies who will actually need the complexity. They are arguing that "House Builders Inc" has invented an automated robotic nail gun and is encouraging standards industries to recommend the only things built with such a system are compliant.
dilandau 6y ago
Nice projection my dude. It's a lamentation of the introduction of complexity into a formerly-simple set of APIs.
- intro-b 6y ago
  Lamenting about complexity just for the sake of lamenting about complexity and then adding a few potshots at Google/FB/etc. doesn't exactly make for a thought-provoking, nuanced, or interesting argument, though
  - dakiol 6y ago
    But it does not make the argument less true.
KaiserPro 6y ago
> This just reads as a systems engineer who is angry about new tooling/processes replacing parts of their job. but it doesn't its needs a bunch of work to upgrade/migrate replace. which is what they are complaining about. having to replace perfectly good stuff, with _new_ stuff. Unless you are bringing teams together onto one platform, k8s is never going to save you cash/engineer hours.

I think he/she made it clear it is needlessly replacing parts of the job. The question is, should one feel any one way about that. I’d imagine it would be the most annoying thing on earth, so it’s a valid emotion being expressed.

miked85 6y ago
> I think he/she made it clear it is needlessly replacing parts of the job Maybe? There weren't any actual reasons for why the author so vehemently disliked all of the technologies mentioned, and there was certainly no acknowledgement of the potential benefits of them.
- mst 6y ago
  "This is systems. You are to be trying to be clever. Please stop." is a damn good rule of thumb and I think lots of people tend to go all-in on k8s without considering whether their use of the features will actually justify the level of additional clever so introduced. To me, that being the 'actual reasons' was implicit from the rant - I don't disagree that it was a rant rather than an argument.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  The author is arguing that simple, easy to use, and easy for hobbyists and upstarts to learn tools are being replaced by complex systems designed by and for the 1% of companies who will actually need the complexity. They are arguing that "House Builders Inc" has invented an automated robotic nail gun and is encouraging standards industries to recommend the only things built with such a system are compliant.

dilandau 6y ago

Nice projection my dude. It's a lamentation of the introduction of complexity into a formerly-simple set of APIs.

intro-b 6y ago
Lamenting about complexity just for the sake of lamenting about complexity and then adding a few potshots at Google/FB/etc. doesn't exactly make for a thought-provoking, nuanced, or interesting argument, though
- dakiol 6y ago
  But it does not make the argument less true.

KaiserPro 6y ago

> This just reads as a systems engineer who is angry about new tooling/processes replacing parts of their job. but it doesn't its needs a bunch of work to upgrade/migrate replace. which is what they are complaining about. having to replace perfectly good stuff, with _new_ stuff. Unless you are bringing teams together onto one platform, k8s is never going to save you cash/engineer hours.