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> I'm sure the fact that BMW/Daimler/VW have completely botched their EV/Autonomous vehicle strategy and the automotive industry is Germany's cash cow has nothi

by chki 6y ago

> I'm sure the fact that BMW/Daimler/VW have completely botched their EV/Autonomous vehicle strategy and the automotive industry is Germany's cash cow has nothing at all to do with the court's decision. What are you implying? That the German Court felt pressured by the Auto Lobby to take this decision? That the judges were biased? Bribed? Vague statements like this are very unhelpful, because you can't argue against them but they try to make a point anyway.

bgorman 6y ago
I am implying that governments (including court systems) often make decisions directly and indirectly to protect domestic companies at the expense of foreign companies.
filoleg 6y ago
> That the German Court felt pressured by the Auto Lobby to take this decision? Probably that + the constituents. When a very large chunk of your constituents are employed by local car manufacturing companies, letting those companies fail and lose to a foreign competitor not only loses money for those companies, it also puts a threat of unemployment on your voting population. Lobbying from local car companies + your voting population's employment dependent on success of those local car companies is a very strong combination. EDIT: to clarify, I am aware that judges in Germany are not elected, I wasn't implying that judges would support the ban just get re-elected. I meant it to say that the judge could see it not only as some lobbying effort, but also as a move to protect interests of the working people they are serving.
- chki 6y ago
  But in Germany courts have basically no relationship to "their constituents" because judges aren't elected but appointed (lifetime appointment). Of course you might argue that promotion chances are higher if your decisions are "popular", however such a small decision as in the current case which hase basically not had any media attention in Germany will most likely not have any impact on the deciding judges career. Edit: after reviewing it, there hase been some media attention on this case in Germany as well.
- DasIch 6y ago
  Judges in Germany generally aren’t elected. The few that are cannot be re-elected and have fairly long terms. The voting population in this case would consist of politicians in the legislative branch.
  - filoleg 6y ago
    I am aware they are not elected, I wasn't implying that judges would do it just get re-elected. I meant it to say that the judge could see it not only as some lobbying effort, but also as a move to protect interests of the working people they are serving.

by chki 6y ago

bgorman 6y ago

I am implying that governments (including court systems) often make decisions directly and indirectly to protect domestic companies at the expense of foreign companies.

filoleg 6y ago

> That the German Court felt pressured by the Auto Lobby to take this decision? Probably that + the constituents. When a very large chunk of your constituents are employed by local car manufacturing companies, letting those companies fail and lose to a foreign competitor not only loses money for those companies, it also puts a threat of unemployment on your voting population. Lobbying from local car companies + your voting population's employment dependent on success of those local car companies is a very strong combination. EDIT: to clarify, I am aware that judges in Germany are not elected, I wasn't implying that judges would support the ban just get re-elected. I meant it to say that the judge could see it not only as some lobbying effort, but also as a move to protect interests of the working people they are serving.

chki 6y ago
But in Germany courts have basically no relationship to "their constituents" because judges aren't elected but appointed (lifetime appointment). Of course you might argue that promotion chances are higher if your decisions are "popular", however such a small decision as in the current case which hase basically not had any media attention in Germany will most likely not have any impact on the deciding judges career. Edit: after reviewing it, there hase been some media attention on this case in Germany as well.
DasIch 6y ago
Judges in Germany generally aren’t elected. The few that are cannot be re-elected and have fairly long terms. The voting population in this case would consist of politicians in the legislative branch.
- filoleg 6y ago
  I am aware they are not elected, I wasn't implying that judges would do it just get re-elected. I meant it to say that the judge could see it not only as some lobbying effort, but also as a move to protect interests of the working people they are serving.