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There's little evidence this is the case. This post could be summarized in one sentence: Bari Weiss wanted people fired because they called her names and the N

There's little evidence this is the case. This post could be summarized in one sentence: Bari Weiss wanted people fired because they called her names and the NYT refused, so she quit and threatened legal action.

berberous 6y ago
She never said she wanted people fired, but that management should tell employees to not harass other employees with ax emojis in a slack. That seems like a totally reasonable standard to implement.
- elicash 6y ago
  She never said that "management should tell" employees anything. It's intentionally vague and not at all clear the NYT didn't take that action, if the story is even totally true, and it's just an open-ended legal threat.
solvorn 6y ago
*(in her case, while taking stronger action in others) FTFY
istjohn 6y ago
I support the Harper's letter and sympathise with many of Weiss' criticisms, but I agree that she flirts with cancel culture territory herself with her language about a hostile work environment. Do you want robust debate or not?
- Yetanfou 6y ago
  Yes, that is why the remark about cancel culture is spot-on. Debate centres around opinions which are shared and discussed so as to end up with a winning argument or position. Dialectic centres around people voicing opposing opinions to try to find out the truth. Neither of these two can work when voicing an opinion outside of the Overton window can and often does end up with the person voicing said opinion being silenced or removed. Cancel culture is not about a robust debate, it is about staging a debate where only approved opinions are allowed to be heard.
- grumple 6y ago
  There’s a difference between debate and slandering your coworkers. That would 100% get you fired on the spot if you did it in a slack channel for any company I’ve worked for (bigger companies than the Times).
- leetcrew 6y ago
  if represented truthfully, the behavior she described doesn't sound anything like "robust debate" to me.
grumple 6y ago
If that’s what you got out of this, you didn’t read the article. Also, where do you work that slandering your coworkers and putting axes next to their name wouldn’t get you fired?

berberous 6y ago

She never said she wanted people fired, but that management should tell employees to not harass other employees with ax emojis in a slack. That seems like a totally reasonable standard to implement.

elicash 6y ago
She never said that "management should tell" employees anything. It's intentionally vague and not at all clear the NYT didn't take that action, if the story is even totally true, and it's just an open-ended legal threat.

solvorn 6y ago

*(in her case, while taking stronger action in others) FTFY

istjohn 6y ago

I support the Harper's letter and sympathise with many of Weiss' criticisms, but I agree that she flirts with cancel culture territory herself with her language about a hostile work environment. Do you want robust debate or not?

Yetanfou 6y ago
Yes, that is why the remark about cancel culture is spot-on. Debate centres around opinions which are shared and discussed so as to end up with a winning argument or position. Dialectic centres around people voicing opposing opinions to try to find out the truth. Neither of these two can work when voicing an opinion outside of the Overton window can and often does end up with the person voicing said opinion being silenced or removed. Cancel culture is not about a robust debate, it is about staging a debate where only approved opinions are allowed to be heard.
grumple 6y ago
There’s a difference between debate and slandering your coworkers. That would 100% get you fired on the spot if you did it in a slack channel for any company I’ve worked for (bigger companies than the Times).
leetcrew 6y ago
if represented truthfully, the behavior she described doesn't sound anything like "robust debate" to me.

grumple 6y ago

If that’s what you got out of this, you didn’t read the article. Also, where do you work that slandering your coworkers and putting axes next to their name wouldn’t get you fired?