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It's truly telling that the most upvoted comment is one working to discredit the writer, rather than taking what's being said at face value.

by dimgl 6y ago

Redoubts 6y ago
> rather than taking what's being said at face value Why should I be this credulous?
- aaronbrethorst 6y ago
  It is incumbent upon all of us to be as credulous about Bari Weiss's stated rationale as James Bennett always was about guest op-eds.
- dimgl 6y ago
  No one is asking you to be naive and all-accepting. Simply to not be dismissive.
duxup 6y ago
>rather than taking what's being said at face value Should we? I don't always do that, hard to imagine doing so all the time, you'd experience constant whiplash of opinions.
- dimgl 6y ago
  And I'm not advocating for that, especially given the amount of garbage on the Internet. But the pendulum has swung too far in one direction and many people are scared to voice their opinions for fear of being rejected or worse, outcast from their livelihood and their way of life. What the writer is saying is that she no longer feels that The Times is unbiased. I don't see how that's a hard thing to take at face value.
  - duxup 6y ago
    > I don't see how that's a hard thing to take at face value. How about I say the Times is unbiased. Ok now what do we do? Do we take it at face value? I might be misunderstanding what you mean, but it seems like you are in fact advocating ... 'that'.
- Bjartr 6y ago
  > you'd experience constant whiplash of opinions I don't understand this phrase. I certainly wouldn't describe what I experience when I take the time to consider things at face value as causing anything I'd describe as whiplash. Just because I attempt to evaluate what I read from another's perspective doesn't mean I give up my own in the meantime.
shkkmo 6y ago
I don't see anything "discrediting" the that comment. I think it is very salient to point out that it us much easier to call out intolerance in other people than to face our own intolerance. Weiss's own intolerance doesn't negate the intolerance she faced, instead it reminds us to remember to strive for tolerance within ourselves as well as pushing for it from other people.

It's truly telling that the most upvoted comment is one working to discredit the writer, rather than taking what's being said at face value.

by dimgl 6y ago

It's truly telling that the most upvoted comment is one working to discredit the writer, rather than taking what's being said at face value.

Redoubts 6y ago

> rather than taking what's being said at face value Why should I be this credulous?

aaronbrethorst 6y ago
It is incumbent upon all of us to be as credulous about Bari Weiss's stated rationale as James Bennett always was about guest op-eds.
dimgl 6y ago
No one is asking you to be naive and all-accepting. Simply to not be dismissive.

duxup 6y ago

>rather than taking what's being said at face value Should we? I don't always do that, hard to imagine doing so all the time, you'd experience constant whiplash of opinions.

dimgl 6y ago
And I'm not advocating for that, especially given the amount of garbage on the Internet. But the pendulum has swung too far in one direction and many people are scared to voice their opinions for fear of being rejected or worse, outcast from their livelihood and their way of life. What the writer is saying is that she no longer feels that The Times is unbiased. I don't see how that's a hard thing to take at face value.
- duxup 6y ago
  > I don't see how that's a hard thing to take at face value. How about I say the Times is unbiased. Ok now what do we do? Do we take it at face value? I might be misunderstanding what you mean, but it seems like you are in fact advocating ... 'that'.
Bjartr 6y ago
> you'd experience constant whiplash of opinions I don't understand this phrase. I certainly wouldn't describe what I experience when I take the time to consider things at face value as causing anything I'd describe as whiplash. Just because I attempt to evaluate what I read from another's perspective doesn't mean I give up my own in the meantime.

shkkmo 6y ago

I don't see anything "discrediting" the that comment. I think it is very salient to point out that it us much easier to call out intolerance in other people than to face our own intolerance. Weiss's own intolerance doesn't negate the intolerance she faced, instead it reminds us to remember to strive for tolerance within ourselves as well as pushing for it from other people.