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Do regulators have an idea of what test a car needs to pass to be able to claim certain things? It there were levels of tests and passing each gave you better r

Do regulators have an idea of what test a car needs to pass to be able to claim certain things? It there were levels of tests and passing each gave you better rating, that might give everyone an idea of there the system is. But most of the talks about this type of stuff seems to be gut feeling rating. Someone will say they think some car/software is good, other's will say it's no where close and the conversation ends there. It is also possible that updates can make software worse than it was before right? Say a software does pass some test. But how do you know it's still as good or better after some update? Is the problem we know for sure if has specific issues or it is more that we have no idea where it might fail while randomly driving? Are all this problems considered solvable in short term?

Barrin92 6y ago
>Do regulators have an idea of what test a car needs to pass to be able to claim certain things? It there were levels of tests and passing each gave you better rating, that might give everyone an idea of there the system is. The 'five levels' of autonomy are fairly well established by now. Full autonomy generally is defined as driving capability that does not involve human attention, that is to say it is what the name suggests, the vehicle drives itself, you could ship it to the consumer without a steering wheel.
- voqv 6y ago
  Likely can't ship. The Vienna Convention on Road Traffic prohibits fully driverless cars [1], I assume the US has something similar. Cruise is still waiting for their waiver to have cars without a steering wheel and that's not even for consumers. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traf...
  - bearjaws 6y ago
    Here in the states, its at the state level what is allowed. We have autonomous vehicle testing in pretty much any state that allows it.
justapassenger 6y ago
> Do regulators have an idea of what test a car needs to pass to be able to claim certain things? What "regulators"? There's a lot of different regulatory bodies in different countries and almost none of them has any detailed rules about self-driving-like systems. Constant claims about "regulators" is Tesla's smoke and mirrors - it's another part of their deceiving marketing. For an outsider, just reading headlines, they make you think that tech is almost ready, "pending regulatory approval".
stetrain 6y ago
As far as I know there are no standardized tests for how well these systems work. Euro NCAP has recently started doing tests on autonomous emergency braking systems, testing both stopping for objects and pedestrians. But that doesn't extend to general adaptive cruise control and lane steering systems. And yes, software updates can and have made Autopilot behavior worse in some cases.
elliekelly 6y ago
I think the difference you're getting at has a lot to do with the approach of US vs European regulators. The US is far more "check the box" focused whereas Europe tends to look to the spirit of compliance and the underlying goals of the regulation(s).

Barrin92 6y ago

>Do regulators have an idea of what test a car needs to pass to be able to claim certain things? It there were levels of tests and passing each gave you better rating, that might give everyone an idea of there the system is. The 'five levels' of autonomy are fairly well established by now. Full autonomy generally is defined as driving capability that does not involve human attention, that is to say it is what the name suggests, the vehicle drives itself, you could ship it to the consumer without a steering wheel.

voqv 6y ago
Likely can't ship. The Vienna Convention on Road Traffic prohibits fully driverless cars [1], I assume the US has something similar. Cruise is still waiting for their waiver to have cars without a steering wheel and that's not even for consumers. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Road_Traf...
- bearjaws 6y ago
  Here in the states, its at the state level what is allowed. We have autonomous vehicle testing in pretty much any state that allows it.

justapassenger 6y ago

> Do regulators have an idea of what test a car needs to pass to be able to claim certain things? What "regulators"? There's a lot of different regulatory bodies in different countries and almost none of them has any detailed rules about self-driving-like systems. Constant claims about "regulators" is Tesla's smoke and mirrors - it's another part of their deceiving marketing. For an outsider, just reading headlines, they make you think that tech is almost ready, "pending regulatory approval".

stetrain 6y ago

As far as I know there are no standardized tests for how well these systems work. Euro NCAP has recently started doing tests on autonomous emergency braking systems, testing both stopping for objects and pedestrians. But that doesn't extend to general adaptive cruise control and lane steering systems. And yes, software updates can and have made Autopilot behavior worse in some cases.

elliekelly 6y ago

I think the difference you're getting at has a lot to do with the approach of US vs European regulators. The US is far more "check the box" focused whereas Europe tends to look to the spirit of compliance and the underlying goals of the regulation(s).