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> The Munich court agreed with the industry body’s assessment and banned Tesla Germany from including “full potential for autonomous driving” and “Autopilot inc

> The Munich court agreed with the industry body’s assessment and banned Tesla Germany from including “full potential for autonomous driving” and “Autopilot inclusive” in its German advertising materials. Fully autonomous driving won't be here for _at least_ half a decade so this judgement makes complete sense. Tesla was engaged in flase advertising.

vmception 6y ago
any idea if these materials were in German or in English?
- Leherenn 6y ago
  It was in German. Very few countries run adverts in languages different from the local ones, especially in the big European countries.
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gardaani 6y ago
Only five days ago Elon Musk claimed that "we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year." (yeah..!) https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53349313 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53349313
- croes 6y ago
  Didn't he claim the same last year and the year before?
  - Vysero 6y ago
    Really? You're guna bet against Elon Musk? You really think that's wise? XD
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      On Musk claiming level five any day now, like he has been doing for the last five years or so? Seems not unreasonable.
    - Obi_Juan_Kenobi 6y ago
      When it comes to timeline, it's very wise.
    - u10 6y ago
      Betting against Elon is a fools errand not because he's right, but because he's built a personality cult around himself.
      - Vysero 6y ago
        Yeah your right. I am sure it was his personality cult that managed to bring SpaceX to fruition.
      - bb611 6y ago
        "markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent." TSLA proves this in spades, right now the stock is trading at more than double what Elon said was "overvalued" 10 weeks ago.
        krick 6y ago
        But the bubble must collapse eventually, right? Enron was "the most innovative company" for 6 years in a row too.
        mcnamaratw 6y ago
        It does. But there's not necessarily any safe way to profit on it. Shorting can force you out at the high. Puts expire.
        FeepingCreature 6y ago
  - cma 6y ago
    Don't forget the LA to New York drive by 2017 with no interventions, on completely different less powerful hardware.
- bdcravens 6y ago
  Even at level 5 (full autonomy with no input needed), when it fails, they'll still blame the driver.
  - sjwright 6y ago
    At L5 you can't "blame the driver" because there is no driver.
    - PunchTornado 6y ago
      they'll blame the other driver, the roads, the passengers etc.
      - sjwright 6y ago
        I can only respond to what you said, not an endless list.
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- ummonk 6y ago
  "I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year. "There are no fundamental challenges remaining. "There are many small problems. "And then there's the challenge of solving all those small problems and putting the whole system together." Real-world testing was needed to uncover what would be a "long tail" of problems, he added." This is so ridiculous. Of course the basic functionality is easy. The whole point of having intelligent drivers is dealing with the edge cases.

vmception 6y ago

any idea if these materials were in German or in English?

Leherenn 6y ago
It was in German. Very few countries run adverts in languages different from the local ones, especially in the big European countries.
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gardaani 6y ago

Only five days ago Elon Musk claimed that "we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year." (yeah..!) https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53349313 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53349313

croes 6y ago
Didn't he claim the same last year and the year before?
- Vysero 6y ago
  Really? You're guna bet against Elon Musk? You really think that's wise? XD
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    On Musk claiming level five any day now, like he has been doing for the last five years or so? Seems not unreasonable.
  - Obi_Juan_Kenobi 6y ago
    When it comes to timeline, it's very wise.
  - u10 6y ago
    Betting against Elon is a fools errand not because he's right, but because he's built a personality cult around himself.
    - Vysero 6y ago
      Yeah your right. I am sure it was his personality cult that managed to bring SpaceX to fruition.
    - bb611 6y ago
      "markets can remain irrational a lot longer than you and I can remain solvent." TSLA proves this in spades, right now the stock is trading at more than double what Elon said was "overvalued" 10 weeks ago.
      - krick 6y ago
        But the bubble must collapse eventually, right? Enron was "the most innovative company" for 6 years in a row too.
        mcnamaratw 6y ago
        It does. But there's not necessarily any safe way to profit on it. Shorting can force you out at the high. Puts expire.
        FeepingCreature 6y ago
- cma 6y ago
  Don't forget the LA to New York drive by 2017 with no interventions, on completely different less powerful hardware.
bdcravens 6y ago
Even at level 5 (full autonomy with no input needed), when it fails, they'll still blame the driver.
- sjwright 6y ago
  At L5 you can't "blame the driver" because there is no driver.
  - PunchTornado 6y ago
    they'll blame the other driver, the roads, the passengers etc.
    - sjwright 6y ago
      I can only respond to what you said, not an endless list.
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ummonk 6y ago
"I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year. "There are no fundamental challenges remaining. "There are many small problems. "And then there's the challenge of solving all those small problems and putting the whole system together." Real-world testing was needed to uncover what would be a "long tail" of problems, he added." This is so ridiculous. Of course the basic functionality is easy. The whole point of having intelligent drivers is dealing with the edge cases.