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So...what is the mortality rate down to these days?

by DiffEq 6y ago

ogre_codes 6y ago
Mortality is just the tip of the iceberg. A lot more people get hospitalized. Some end up with permanent cognitive disorders. Long term lung and/ or heart damage is also common. > The UK National Health Service assumes that of Covid-19 patients who have required hospitalization, 45 percent will need ongoing medical care, 4 percent will require inpatient rehabilitation, and 1 percent will permanently require acute care. Other preliminary evidence, as well as historical research on other coronaviruses like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), suggests that for some people, a full recovery might still be years off. For others, there may be no returning to normal. Strokes and permanent cognitive disorder are also common: > Blood clots that form in or reach the brain can cause a stroke. Although strokes are more typically seen in older people, strokes are now being reported even in young Covid-19 patients. In Wuhan, China, about 5 percent of hospitalized Covid-19 patients had strokes, and a similar pattern was reported with SARS. https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-...
- arichard123 6y ago
  And according to [1] 125,117 patients were admitted to hospital based on 290,133 positive tests. So about 43% of UK people who test positive are being hospitalized. So that's really bad. 1: https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/
  - lsllc 6y ago
    For comparison with the UK, Massachusetts has had 111K cases total with approx. 11K hospitalizations [0], so about 10%. The average age of COVID-19 cases is 51, the average age of hospitalization is 68 and the average age of deaths is 82. NOTE: The state dashboard doesn't seem to specifically show the total hospitalizations, just a graph only over the last 3 months. However, on Page 19 [0] there's a breakdown of total hospitalization by ethnicity that shows a total of 111,827 cases and 11,611 hospitalizations (across all known and unknown ethnicities). [0] https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-july-13-2020/download https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-july-13-2020/dow...
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      Worth noting, in the US, there are likely people who were never hospitalized because they were afraid to go to the hospital because they lack insurance.
      - lsllc 6y ago
        Possibly, although in MA aside from employer provided insurance and ACA insurance, anyone else is covered by the state, i.e. MassHealth (aka Romneycare [0], which was used as a model for Obamacare) and Health Safety Net. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_refo...
  - matz1 6y ago
    How is it bad ? The 125117 number is including people were admitted to hospital for other than covid but happen to test positive for covid.
chipuni 6y ago
According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ , among US closed cases, 8% of people who test positive for Covid-19 die. (BIG CLUE: Use closed cases for estimating mortality of an illness.)
- albntomat0 6y ago
  Is that not heavily distorted by how tests are distributed, as not everyone ends up getting tested?
  - kulahan 6y ago
    Also, it's kind of a self-selecting population. This statistic is likely skewed towards those with an infection bad enough to warrant getting a test in the first place.
- xamuel 6y ago
  LOL, if Covid had an 8% death rate, do you really think politicians would still be walking around? No, they'd all be boarding submarines! The CDC's most recent estimate is more like 0.65% and that's probably still an overestimate

So...what is the mortality rate down to these days?

by DiffEq 6y ago

So...what is the mortality rate down to these days?

Mortality is just the tip of the iceberg. A lot more people get hospitalized. Some end up with permanent cognitive disorders. Long term lung and/ or heart damage is also common. > The UK National Health Service assumes that of Covid-19 patients who have required hospitalization, 45 percent will need ongoing medical care, 4 percent will require inpatient rehabilitation, and 1 percent will permanently require acute care. Other preliminary evidence, as well as historical research on other coronaviruses like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS), suggests that for some people, a full recovery might still be years off. For others, there may be no returning to normal. Strokes and permanent cognitive disorder are also common: > Blood clots that form in or reach the brain can cause a stroke. Although strokes are more typically seen in older people, strokes are now being reported even in young Covid-19 patients. In Wuhan, China, about 5 percent of hospitalized Covid-19 patients had strokes, and a similar pattern was reported with SARS. https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-...

arichard123 6y ago
And according to [1] 125,117 patients were admitted to hospital based on 290,133 positive tests. So about 43% of UK people who test positive are being hospitalized. So that's really bad. 1: https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/
- lsllc 6y ago
  For comparison with the UK, Massachusetts has had 111K cases total with approx. 11K hospitalizations [0], so about 10%. The average age of COVID-19 cases is 51, the average age of hospitalization is 68 and the average age of deaths is 82. NOTE: The state dashboard doesn't seem to specifically show the total hospitalizations, just a graph only over the last 3 months. However, on Page 19 [0] there's a breakdown of total hospitalization by ethnicity that shows a total of 111,827 cases and 11,611 hospitalizations (across all known and unknown ethnicities). [0] https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-july-13-2020/download https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-july-13-2020/dow...
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Worth noting, in the US, there are likely people who were never hospitalized because they were afraid to go to the hospital because they lack insurance.
    - lsllc 6y ago
      Possibly, although in MA aside from employer provided insurance and ACA insurance, anyone else is covered by the state, i.e. MassHealth (aka Romneycare [0], which was used as a model for Obamacare) and Health Safety Net. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_refo...
- matz1 6y ago
  How is it bad ? The 125117 number is including people were admitted to hospital for other than covid but happen to test positive for covid.

chipuni 6y ago

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ , among US closed cases, 8% of people who test positive for Covid-19 die. (BIG CLUE: Use closed cases for estimating mortality of an illness.)

albntomat0 6y ago
Is that not heavily distorted by how tests are distributed, as not everyone ends up getting tested?
- kulahan 6y ago
  Also, it's kind of a self-selecting population. This statistic is likely skewed towards those with an infection bad enough to warrant getting a test in the first place.
xamuel 6y ago
LOL, if Covid had an 8% death rate, do you really think politicians would still be walking around? No, they'd all be boarding submarines! The CDC's most recent estimate is more like 0.65% and that's probably still an overestimate