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I am not a fan of such comments, they always want either a perfect solution or no solution at all. There was this guy who debated with me online about using so

I am not a fan of such comments, they always want either a perfect solution or no solution at all. There was this guy who debated with me online about using solar panels because 'they are not efficient enough' and another one who debated planting trees. It is a step by step process. We will not magically cure up the ecology in one day in one swoosh. It'll take small efforts from various aspects.

LatteLazy 6y ago
So far, we're making less than no progress because global net co2 emissions continue to rise. Do you agree?
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  I do not agree with this. Renewables and EV uptake is accelerating at an unprecedented pace, we just haven't hit the tipping point yet. We're definitely not moving fast enough, but we're still moving pretty fast on the economic proposition of renewables and electrified transportation alone.
  - LatteLazy 6y ago
    So do you believe that global net co2 emissions are not currently growing? Or that we are making progress despite them growing?
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      The latter.
      - LatteLazy 6y ago
        Then I'd have to ask how you measure progress? Are you referring to a moral/social sense of improving? Right now, We're not just emitting co2, we're emitting more this year than last year. And the amount more is rising as well. Any actual measure of co2E emissions shows this problem is bad, its getting worse and its getting worse faster over time.
        rapnie 6y ago
        It surely doesn't help that we have leaders that continue to promote fossil fuels or unsustainable exploitation of rainforests, etc. Also unhelpful is rampant capitalism where environmental costs are not part of the equation when making profits. But in this same system we are nearing a tipping point where renewables are the better choice for the bottom line. And that is progress.
        LatteLazy 6y ago
        I am quite sympathic to your predictions, I both hope and semi expect some big changes in the next decade. But I have to be strict: this is the potential for progress, not actual progress. And I think it's probably already too late, it might be too late now even to avert the worst of climate change. Adding another decade to restructure socially and get non-western non-democratic countries into the same mold is a huge delay at a very late stage. We will see.
        thewhitetulip 6y ago
        Also, according to a BBC article, Western countries' population is going to drop when we hit 2100. It'll be interesting to see if that turns out to be true, I mean, it is a 80yr into the future prediction. Japan's population is expected to be half. Spain and others are going in the same way, China and India are expected to reduce but not by half. Let's hope that we keep working on this problem. As EVs rise, I expect this to be a positive turnout. it doesn't matter that 1 EV save a lot of CO2, buses and planes are becoming electric. The more electrification we do, the more solar and wind we use, the better. India has few hundred MW solar panel project. Other countries are also planning them, right? So let's hope that they do work in the intended way..
        drcross 6y ago
        This is incorrect if the output measures lag the input.
        LatteLazy 6y ago
enaaem 6y ago
In my opinion the energy problem is a quantitative problem and most discussions are too superficial. I want to look at grand plans, rather than specific tech since one or even two won’t be enough. We need to look at whole energy portfolios and work towards that. A good analysis should look like this: https://www.withouthotair.com/ https://www.withouthotair.com/

LatteLazy 6y ago

So far, we're making less than no progress because global net co2 emissions continue to rise. Do you agree?

toomuchtodo 6y ago
I do not agree with this. Renewables and EV uptake is accelerating at an unprecedented pace, we just haven't hit the tipping point yet. We're definitely not moving fast enough, but we're still moving pretty fast on the economic proposition of renewables and electrified transportation alone.
- LatteLazy 6y ago
  So do you believe that global net co2 emissions are not currently growing? Or that we are making progress despite them growing?
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    The latter.
    - LatteLazy 6y ago
      Then I'd have to ask how you measure progress? Are you referring to a moral/social sense of improving? Right now, We're not just emitting co2, we're emitting more this year than last year. And the amount more is rising as well. Any actual measure of co2E emissions shows this problem is bad, its getting worse and its getting worse faster over time.
      - rapnie 6y ago
        It surely doesn't help that we have leaders that continue to promote fossil fuels or unsustainable exploitation of rainforests, etc. Also unhelpful is rampant capitalism where environmental costs are not part of the equation when making profits. But in this same system we are nearing a tipping point where renewables are the better choice for the bottom line. And that is progress.
        LatteLazy 6y ago
        I am quite sympathic to your predictions, I both hope and semi expect some big changes in the next decade. But I have to be strict: this is the potential for progress, not actual progress. And I think it's probably already too late, it might be too late now even to avert the worst of climate change. Adding another decade to restructure socially and get non-western non-democratic countries into the same mold is a huge delay at a very late stage. We will see.
        thewhitetulip 6y ago
        Also, according to a BBC article, Western countries' population is going to drop when we hit 2100. It'll be interesting to see if that turns out to be true, I mean, it is a 80yr into the future prediction. Japan's population is expected to be half. Spain and others are going in the same way, China and India are expected to reduce but not by half. Let's hope that we keep working on this problem. As EVs rise, I expect this to be a positive turnout. it doesn't matter that 1 EV save a lot of CO2, buses and planes are becoming electric. The more electrification we do, the more solar and wind we use, the better. India has few hundred MW solar panel project. Other countries are also planning them, right? So let's hope that they do work in the intended way..
      - drcross 6y ago
        This is incorrect if the output measures lag the input.
        LatteLazy 6y ago

enaaem 6y ago

In my opinion the energy problem is a quantitative problem and most discussions are too superficial. I want to look at grand plans, rather than specific tech since one or even two won’t be enough. We need to look at whole energy portfolios and work towards that. A good analysis should look like this: https://www.withouthotair.com/ https://www.withouthotair.com/