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I don't know if I want 5G. It sounds like wimax but faster. I don't think it gives that much benefit, triangulation already was able to bomb a terrorist in Russ

I don't know if I want 5G. It sounds like wimax but faster. I don't think it gives that much benefit, triangulation already was able to bomb a terrorist in Russia in the 90s. How much worst could it get?

totalZero 6y ago
My understanding is that the difference between 5G density/localization and that of previous technologies is quite substantial, especially in urban areas. "The extension of spectrum range has an impact on the network architecture. mmwave cells will employ shorter ranges of around 100-to-200 meters which will require extreme densification to provide high coverage. 3G networks reached densities of fourto- five base stations per km², 4G networks eight-to-ten per km², while 5G networks could reach densities of 40-to-50 per km²." https://www.newtec.eu/article/article/choosing-the-right-connectivity-for-5g https://www.newtec.eu/article/article/choosing-the-right-con...
- Waterfall 6y ago
  I'm wondering how much worst it is since we already can track people pretty well with cellular data now. Sorry if I didn't make that clear, seems like they can already do all those things. How much worst can it be?
  - gruez 6y ago
    Its the difference between knowing which neighborhood you're in and which street or mabye even which house you're in.
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      But you can already tell what house you're in with triangulation, and even the room.
      - gruez 6y ago
        Source on this? Maybe you can do it if it's combined with wifi/bluetooth signals, but I doubt you can do it with cell towers alone.
        Waterfall 6y ago
        Yes you can. I used a jailbreak app on ios6 and I used llama on Android for this. >The average for Boston is 21 meters; New York 27 meters; Austin, TX, 28 meters; Washington 29 meters, and Chicago 38 meters. https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/research/22928.html https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re... I got my own room in my house with it, back in the 3G/4G days. I'm not sure what modern software and hardware can do it now, but I'm pretty sure it's even more accurate even without 5G.
        gruez 6y ago
        >https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re.. https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re.... >The average for Boston is 21 meters; New York 27 meters; Austin, TX, 28 meters; Washington 29 meters, and Chicago 38 meters. >A number of factors can impact location data accuracy, including its source, which can include GPS signals, Wi-Fi and cell tower triangulation. Seems like the figures they're giving is with wifi/gps signals, not just cell tower alone.
        Waterfall 6y ago
        I am sure they were able to do it without it, but others can interfer. Triangulation was already a thing in the courts. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/victory-supreme-court-says-fourth-amendment-applies-cell-phone-tracking https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/victory-supreme-court-... It's in Carpenter vs US, for deducting he robbed a store from just the cell phone signals.
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totalZero 6y ago

My understanding is that the difference between 5G density/localization and that of previous technologies is quite substantial, especially in urban areas. "The extension of spectrum range has an impact on the network architecture. mmwave cells will employ shorter ranges of around 100-to-200 meters which will require extreme densification to provide high coverage. 3G networks reached densities of fourto- five base stations per km², 4G networks eight-to-ten per km², while 5G networks could reach densities of 40-to-50 per km²." https://www.newtec.eu/article/article/choosing-the-right-connectivity-for-5g https://www.newtec.eu/article/article/choosing-the-right-con...

Waterfall 6y ago
I'm wondering how much worst it is since we already can track people pretty well with cellular data now. Sorry if I didn't make that clear, seems like they can already do all those things. How much worst can it be?
- gruez 6y ago
  Its the difference between knowing which neighborhood you're in and which street or mabye even which house you're in.
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    But you can already tell what house you're in with triangulation, and even the room.
    - gruez 6y ago
      Source on this? Maybe you can do it if it's combined with wifi/bluetooth signals, but I doubt you can do it with cell towers alone.
      - Waterfall 6y ago
        Yes you can. I used a jailbreak app on ios6 and I used llama on Android for this. >The average for Boston is 21 meters; New York 27 meters; Austin, TX, 28 meters; Washington 29 meters, and Chicago 38 meters. https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/research/22928.html https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re... I got my own room in my house with it, back in the 3G/4G days. I'm not sure what modern software and hardware can do it now, but I'm pretty sure it's even more accurate even without 5G.
        gruez 6y ago
        >https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re.. https://www.mobilemarketer.com/ex/mobilemarketer/cms/news/re.... >The average for Boston is 21 meters; New York 27 meters; Austin, TX, 28 meters; Washington 29 meters, and Chicago 38 meters. >A number of factors can impact location data accuracy, including its source, which can include GPS signals, Wi-Fi and cell tower triangulation. Seems like the figures they're giving is with wifi/gps signals, not just cell tower alone.
        Waterfall 6y ago
        I am sure they were able to do it without it, but others can interfer. Triangulation was already a thing in the courts. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/victory-supreme-court-says-fourth-amendment-applies-cell-phone-tracking https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/06/victory-supreme-court-... It's in Carpenter vs US, for deducting he robbed a store from just the cell phone signals.
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