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I don't understand how you can give 'American cops routinely kill people' as an example of human rights violations that are being ignored. Is change lacking? Y

I don't understand how you can give 'American cops routinely kill people' as an example of human rights violations that are being ignored. Is change lacking? Yes. Is there outrage? Also yes. Of course, had you were to make the point that Western politicians are complete hypocrites then I would wholeheartedly agree. Although, I also don't think that's a uniquely Western phenomenon.

einpoklum 6y ago
When mass uprisings are necessary for even a serious discussion of the problem (intention to resolve it is nowhere in sight) - then, yes, killing by cops is being ignored and has been ignored.
- bluerobotcat 6y ago
  I strongly disagree. If you care enough about an issue to repeatedly go outside during a pandemic and protest, then you are not ignoring it. The set of 'Westerners' does not exclude the protesters.
  - einpoklum 6y ago
    _You_ aren't ignoring it - your representative have been ignoring it (and effectively and mostly, still are; they're just making a bit of noise in the hope that the protest goes away.)
    - bluerobotcat 6y ago
      I'm not sure why you think I'm American. The group that was being attacked was something like 'Westerners who criticize China' (I can't find the exact quote since the OP is no longer visible to me). I'm part of that group and that is why I replied. Your point that "they're just making a bit of noise in the hope that the protest goes away" is true regarding the establishment. I don't see how anyone would disagree with that. But we have a right to vote and a right to loudly voice our disagreement. And that's different from China. Right now in HK the government is now basically saying that voting against legislation proposed by the establishment 'might be' a violation of the national security law. That's insane.
- jaekash 6y ago
  So where are the uprisings about china?
- jtdev 6y ago
  You’re completely ignoring the fact that protest and speech are exactly how things change in a free democratic society. Try that in China and you’re likely to find yourself in a “re-education” (concentration) camp. It’s not apples to apples comparing the US to China in terms of human rights and civil society... China is truly an authoritarian regime.
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einpoklum 6y ago

When mass uprisings are necessary for even a serious discussion of the problem (intention to resolve it is nowhere in sight) - then, yes, killing by cops is being ignored and has been ignored.

bluerobotcat 6y ago
I strongly disagree. If you care enough about an issue to repeatedly go outside during a pandemic and protest, then you are not ignoring it. The set of 'Westerners' does not exclude the protesters.
- einpoklum 6y ago
  _You_ aren't ignoring it - your representative have been ignoring it (and effectively and mostly, still are; they're just making a bit of noise in the hope that the protest goes away.)
  - bluerobotcat 6y ago
    I'm not sure why you think I'm American. The group that was being attacked was something like 'Westerners who criticize China' (I can't find the exact quote since the OP is no longer visible to me). I'm part of that group and that is why I replied. Your point that "they're just making a bit of noise in the hope that the protest goes away" is true regarding the establishment. I don't see how anyone would disagree with that. But we have a right to vote and a right to loudly voice our disagreement. And that's different from China. Right now in HK the government is now basically saying that voting against legislation proposed by the establishment 'might be' a violation of the national security law. That's insane.
jaekash 6y ago
So where are the uprisings about china?
jtdev 6y ago
You’re completely ignoring the fact that protest and speech are exactly how things change in a free democratic society. Try that in China and you’re likely to find yourself in a “re-education” (concentration) camp. It’s not apples to apples comparing the US to China in terms of human rights and civil society... China is truly an authoritarian regime.

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