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I mean. Vehicles do provide mobility at the downside of pollution in a world designed for vehicle mobility. Its a non trivial and expensive change. Masks prote

I mean. Vehicles do provide mobility at the downside of pollution in a world designed for vehicle mobility. Its a non trivial and expensive change. Masks protect for cents a day from a deadly disease leaving many people with damage for life, crippling medical bills at the downside of what exactly? Many professions wear them day in and day out. People have forgot that government means making choices we may not want but have to,

jakeogh 6y ago
dupe from a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 (junk study; assumes the masks are effective and then makes predictions based on that assumption https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485) RE: Forgot? That's backwards. The government operates only with the consent of the people. It's why we have juries. For how long are you ok with the fake masks that say right on the box not designed for viruses? Forever? Pretending a it's going to just go away is getting old. Roughly 1/3 of common cold viruses are corona-class. We all know the typical hand wave explanation about droplets. Sneezing or coughing are the only significant producers of large particles that the fake masks catch, and I haven't seen a person sneeze or cough in public in a oddly long time. CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... (these are not estimates, see the footnote) 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 Mask psychology: https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infants-Withholding-Affection/13213 https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infan... Deliberate problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y Covid-19 death vs COVID-19+ death: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... Excess deaths are the only real measure: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
- hatenberg 6y ago
  Or we observe reality of every Asian and European country with mandatory masks crushing the curve after introduction. But hey, a 30 cents a day intervention is clearly too much to ask of Americans
  - jakeogh 6y ago
    Yea, lets just give up on the whole personal responsibility and free speech/movement thing... gov's mandating medical procedures is always just fine. Line up. Right? Anyway.... why rely on a (no kidding) fake study? Data please. Excess deaths and treatment protocol preferably. Which professional published best case death estimate did we not beat? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23407130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23407130 There is a country that banned the fake masks. Plenty of US states have ~95% fake mask use... MI is easily >99% in stores. Yet the overall excess death rate is -much- higher in the authortarian states. Guess what's not enven -mentioed- in the latest DOE guidance for COVID-19 transmission: Dept. of Energy: "What every American and community can do now to decrease the spread of the coronavirus" https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2020/03/f72/COVID_19_WorkHomeSchool_Guidance.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2020/03/f72/COVID_19... Why not answer? --Why not use the masks forever?-- Speaking of inexpensive treatments that are actually effective: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/ful... Or... ya know... concerned people could use a real mask for viruses. Nah... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730633
    - hatenberg 6y ago
      Which authoritarian states are you talking about. Sweden? In about two month the casualties in the US will exceed WW2 - and likely long term disability victims will range in the millions. So yea, personal responsibility for the win, totally works every time when you have Covid Karen and Typhoid Mary
      - totony 6y ago

jakeogh 6y ago

dupe from a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 (junk study; assumes the masks are effective and then makes predictions based on that assumption https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485) RE: Forgot? That's backwards. The government operates only with the consent of the people. It's why we have juries. For how long are you ok with the fake masks that say right on the box not designed for viruses? Forever? Pretending a it's going to just go away is getting old. Roughly 1/3 of common cold viruses are corona-class. We all know the typical hand wave explanation about droplets. Sneezing or coughing are the only significant producers of large particles that the fake masks catch, and I haven't seen a person sneeze or cough in public in a oddly long time. CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... (these are not estimates, see the footnote) 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 Mask psychology: https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infants-Withholding-Affection/13213 https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infan... Deliberate problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y Covid-19 death vs COVID-19+ death: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... Excess deaths are the only real measure: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

hatenberg 6y ago
Or we observe reality of every Asian and European country with mandatory masks crushing the curve after introduction. But hey, a 30 cents a day intervention is clearly too much to ask of Americans
- jakeogh 6y ago
  Yea, lets just give up on the whole personal responsibility and free speech/movement thing... gov's mandating medical procedures is always just fine. Line up. Right? Anyway.... why rely on a (no kidding) fake study? Data please. Excess deaths and treatment protocol preferably. Which professional published best case death estimate did we not beat? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23407130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23407130 There is a country that banned the fake masks. Plenty of US states have ~95% fake mask use... MI is easily >99% in stores. Yet the overall excess death rate is -much- higher in the authortarian states. Guess what's not enven -mentioed- in the latest DOE guidance for COVID-19 transmission: Dept. of Energy: "What every American and community can do now to decrease the spread of the coronavirus" https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2020/03/f72/COVID_19_WorkHomeSchool_Guidance.pdf https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2020/03/f72/COVID_19... Why not answer? --Why not use the masks forever?-- Speaking of inexpensive treatments that are actually effective: https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/ful... Or... ya know... concerned people could use a real mask for viruses. Nah... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23730633
  - hatenberg 6y ago
    Which authoritarian states are you talking about. Sweden? In about two month the casualties in the US will exceed WW2 - and likely long term disability victims will range in the millions. So yea, personal responsibility for the win, totally works every time when you have Covid Karen and Typhoid Mary
    - totony 6y ago