I'm sticking to the issue of consistency and honesty which you introduced and I'm avoiding all substance and value judgements in keeping with the dialectical st

I'm sticking to the issue of consistency and honesty which you introduced and I'm avoiding all substance and value judgements in keeping with the dialectical style of the forum. The analogy was intended to help you understand why Illych is not somehow inconsistent or hypocritical. It's not inconsistent of Illych to try to dismantle a system that (you claim) he benefited from. The Jacobin progressives in the US are not inconsistent to try to dismantle the foundations of their host system through the procedures of that system. You would have to limit your observations to prima facie statements to argue that they are not intellectually dishonest crypto-marxists (BLM excluded). Illych and BLM are perhaps more intellectually honest than AOC and Omar. ++good for them. and Northern European Democratic socialist parties are neither traditional or dominant unless you only look at the very immediate past and future.