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While BMI is an imperfect metric at best, it's a lot more objective than self-reported walking pace. Regardless, I can think of many reasons why a slower walki

by zozin 6y ago

While BMI is an imperfect metric at best, it's a lot more objective than self-reported walking pace. Regardless, I can think of many reasons why a slower walking pace is associated with a higher rate of contracting COVID-19 (age, pre-existing health conditions, obesity, etc.), some of which people have no control over (age, diabetes type 1) and some of which they do (obesity). There's been discussions ad nauseam about how to minimize the threat of COVID-19 (social distancing, hygiene, face coverings, etc.), yet one comment pointing out a way to create a healthier population to begin with is considered hateful by you. Apparently it's hateful to want overweight and obese people to change their behavior so that they are better able to fight off deadly viruses in the future.

s1artibartfast 6y ago
>Regardless, I can think of many reasons why a slower walking pace is associated with a higher rate of contracting COVID-19 (age, pre-existing health conditions, obesity, etc.), some of which people have no control over (age, diabetes type 1) and some of which they do (obesity). It is worth pointing out that the authors attempted to control for the reasons you listed above e.g. ( age, health issues, weight) as part of the covariate analysis. The conclusion is that in terms of risk: obese & slow > slow > obese > Normal
- radford-neal 6y ago
  Actually, if you look at the figure at the end, amongst slow walkers, it makes no discernible difference whether they are normal weight, overweight, or obese (of course a difference might be evident if there were more data). So the known risk is: normal & slow = obese & slow > obese & brisk > normal & brisk The last two > comparisons are a bit uncertain individually, though the combined one (obese & slow > normal & brisk) is statistically significant.
  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    I think that your presentation obfuscates the most interesting conclusion of the paper: when taken alone, slow > obese.
jhayward 6y ago
> Apparently it's hateful to want overweight and obese people to change their behavior so that they are better able to fight off deadly viruses in the future. Yes, it is, in that it is in practice simply a way to discard their humanity and value by blaming them for having a condition which is medically highly intractable, not well understood, and has been the subject of intensive focus for decades with little success in treatment or mitigation. Any time someone trots out the "I wish people with X would just exercise some personal responsibility" they have done this.

by zozin 6y ago

s1artibartfast 6y ago

>Regardless, I can think of many reasons why a slower walking pace is associated with a higher rate of contracting COVID-19 (age, pre-existing health conditions, obesity, etc.), some of which people have no control over (age, diabetes type 1) and some of which they do (obesity). It is worth pointing out that the authors attempted to control for the reasons you listed above e.g. ( age, health issues, weight) as part of the covariate analysis. The conclusion is that in terms of risk: obese & slow > slow > obese > Normal

radford-neal 6y ago
Actually, if you look at the figure at the end, amongst slow walkers, it makes no discernible difference whether they are normal weight, overweight, or obese (of course a difference might be evident if there were more data). So the known risk is: normal & slow = obese & slow > obese & brisk > normal & brisk The last two > comparisons are a bit uncertain individually, though the combined one (obese & slow > normal & brisk) is statistically significant.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  I think that your presentation obfuscates the most interesting conclusion of the paper: when taken alone, slow > obese.

jhayward 6y ago

> Apparently it's hateful to want overweight and obese people to change their behavior so that they are better able to fight off deadly viruses in the future. Yes, it is, in that it is in practice simply a way to discard their humanity and value by blaming them for having a condition which is medically highly intractable, not well understood, and has been the subject of intensive focus for decades with little success in treatment or mitigation. Any time someone trots out the "I wish people with X would just exercise some personal responsibility" they have done this.