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This is a well known phenomenon in Canada at least. They write impossible job specs on purpose so that they can turn around and claim there is no suitable tale

by na85 6y ago

This is a well known phenomenon in Canada at least. They write impossible job specs on purpose so that they can turn around and claim there is no suitable talent in North America, and then outsource the work to India/bring in temporary foreign workers at pennies to the dollar.

0xFFC 6y ago
Right now I finishing my MSc studies in Canada and I am at job hunt with pretty solid background. It is unbelievable. It seems all the ads are literally lie. Nobody answers any email. Nobody even invites to any interview. I am starting to think all the ads are lie to import foreign workers. P.S. I don’t know why my parent comments got negative vote. But I totally would vouch for his/her estimation.
- na85 6y ago
  No no, the problem is that you're a lazy entitled millennial of course.
  - 0xFFC 6y ago
    Maybe you are right. But I don’t want to admit it. But I would not call someone with two publications in MICRO and a lot of coding experience (with demonstrably coding skills) and MSc from top tier cs school in Canada a lazy millennial.
    - na85 6y ago
      (I was of course being sarcastic and making a joke, in case it wasn't obvious)
- Tronno 6y ago
  Judging from your post, your English grammar could use some improvement. It's possible you're experiencing discrimination for that reason. Have your resume and cover letter edited by a fluent/native English speaker, and you may see increased response rates.
  - 0xFFC 6y ago
    Your point about grammar is correct. But you have to take to the account I am not going to proof read a comment. I just don’t have that much time. But I totally get your point. When I am applying to job I at my best.
- DebtDeflation 6y ago
  >It seems all the ads are literally lie. As someone who's been in tech for over 20 years, let me explain. There are many reasons why job ads get posted, and not all of them involve the existence of an actual job that a hiring manager is trying to fill. In some cases, it's just a staffing agency trying to build a resume database. In other cases, it's HR conducting market research on compensation levels and talent depth in a particular geography. Sometimes, as has already been noted, it's to fulfill a legal prerequisite to bringing in visa holders. After awhile, you sort of learn to spot the fake postings.
  - 0xFFC 6y ago
    Thanks for your thorough explanation. Can you point to me what should I look at when I want to spot an actual job from fake one?
oneplane 6y ago
> pennies to the dollar. Wouldn't that be against wage laws? (unless those don't exist over there)
- na85 6y ago
  Nope. https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/foreign-workers.html https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/servi...
  - oneplane 6y ago
    Those pages seem to relate to foreign workers, I was thinking in the direction of the wage laws in general that don't allow you to pay someone less based on their origin, gender, religion etc.
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
If you can't find anyone in North America with skill set X, so you bring in foreign talent, shouldn't the foreign talent have to have skill set X? I mean, to take it absurdly far, I can't find Kubernetes programmers, so I get a visa to bring in a foreigner, and I bring in a janitor? That sounds like a serious loophole in the rules.
- coredog64 6y ago
  AIUI, there’s two separate things happening here. You can ask for “X”, with an inability to find “X” leading to permission to sponsor. But there’s also nothing saying that your visa candidate actually has to have “X”. If they have “X/2”, then they only need to pay the prevailing wage for “X/2”. Or, to ctrl c/v from Wikipedia, the former is the labor certification and the latter is the labor condition application (LCA). In the US, your employer is required to post LCAs in a public location at the job site. It’s always a good idea to watch those, especially if you’ve been in your position for a while. This is the amount of money you should be getting (at a minimum).

by na85 6y ago

0xFFC 6y ago

Right now I finishing my MSc studies in Canada and I am at job hunt with pretty solid background. It is unbelievable. It seems all the ads are literally lie. Nobody answers any email. Nobody even invites to any interview. I am starting to think all the ads are lie to import foreign workers. P.S. I don’t know why my parent comments got negative vote. But I totally would vouch for his/her estimation.

na85 6y ago
No no, the problem is that you're a lazy entitled millennial of course.
- 0xFFC 6y ago
  Maybe you are right. But I don’t want to admit it. But I would not call someone with two publications in MICRO and a lot of coding experience (with demonstrably coding skills) and MSc from top tier cs school in Canada a lazy millennial.
  - na85 6y ago
    (I was of course being sarcastic and making a joke, in case it wasn't obvious)
Tronno 6y ago
Judging from your post, your English grammar could use some improvement. It's possible you're experiencing discrimination for that reason. Have your resume and cover letter edited by a fluent/native English speaker, and you may see increased response rates.
- 0xFFC 6y ago
  Your point about grammar is correct. But you have to take to the account I am not going to proof read a comment. I just don’t have that much time. But I totally get your point. When I am applying to job I at my best.
DebtDeflation 6y ago
>It seems all the ads are literally lie. As someone who's been in tech for over 20 years, let me explain. There are many reasons why job ads get posted, and not all of them involve the existence of an actual job that a hiring manager is trying to fill. In some cases, it's just a staffing agency trying to build a resume database. In other cases, it's HR conducting market research on compensation levels and talent depth in a particular geography. Sometimes, as has already been noted, it's to fulfill a legal prerequisite to bringing in visa holders. After awhile, you sort of learn to spot the fake postings.
- 0xFFC 6y ago
  Thanks for your thorough explanation. Can you point to me what should I look at when I want to spot an actual job from fake one?

oneplane 6y ago

> pennies to the dollar. Wouldn't that be against wage laws? (unless those don't exist over there)

na85 6y ago
Nope. https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/services/foreign-workers.html https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/servi...
- oneplane 6y ago
  Those pages seem to relate to foreign workers, I was thinking in the direction of the wage laws in general that don't allow you to pay someone less based on their origin, gender, religion etc.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

If you can't find anyone in North America with skill set X, so you bring in foreign talent, shouldn't the foreign talent have to have skill set X? I mean, to take it absurdly far, I can't find Kubernetes programmers, so I get a visa to bring in a foreigner, and I bring in a janitor? That sounds like a serious loophole in the rules.

coredog64 6y ago
AIUI, there’s two separate things happening here. You can ask for “X”, with an inability to find “X” leading to permission to sponsor. But there’s also nothing saying that your visa candidate actually has to have “X”. If they have “X/2”, then they only need to pay the prevailing wage for “X/2”. Or, to ctrl c/v from Wikipedia, the former is the labor certification and the latter is the labor condition application (LCA). In the US, your employer is required to post LCAs in a public location at the job site. It’s always a good idea to watch those, especially if you’ve been in your position for a while. This is the amount of money you should be getting (at a minimum).