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Widespread mask wearing could prevent second waves of COVID-19, study says

31 points by AndrewBissell 6y ago

stx 6y ago
I must admit I was wrong when I thought that people could handle wearing masks properly. I took my first trip out in months this weekend to visit family at their house in the mountains. We stayed away from people the whole time and only went out to get groceries. When driving through the town (its a small Colorado tourist town with one strip of shops) only about 50 percent of people had masks on at all. Of those with masks most had them around their chin or not covering their nose. I know that its not as simple to get a perfect air tight fit with n95/p100 but I am not talking about that. People literally just had them hanging on their chin while in large crowds. This was during the day and after dusk. I also noticed a person at the store pull their mask down to talk or sneeze which is the time when its most important to be covered.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Viruses are a part of life. Those 50% have accepted this and moved on.
  - ugexe 6y ago
    How do those type of people explain safe sex? I hope it’s not the “sheep” defense...
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Marital sex?
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Why weren't officials demanding everyone wear condoms all the time during the HIV scare?
      - ugexe 6y ago
        Because someone choosing to have unsafe sex and getting aids isn’t going to give their e.g. grandma aids. They are choosing to risk themselves, which is not the same as risking others that have not chosen to partake in the risky behavior. This may be hard to reconcile for those who think the world revolves around them.
  - mritun 6y ago
    Then why are buying ventilators and asking doctors to put their lives at risk? We never bought ventilators for flu and never had so much focus on vaccines. Maybe your point is to just go on and accept that few more millions will die of this new cause.
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      California is shutting down schools for the year and they've not had a single death of anyone under 18. Tell me this ain't politically motivated. I mean, with a straight face.
- reitzensteinm 6y ago
  "its a small Colorado tourist town with one strip of shops" You're probably suffering from sampling bias here; cautious people that take care to wear masks properly are much more likely to be at home than walking around a tourist town, even if you are an exception.
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    the people who walk around in tourist towns matter as far as correct mask wearing is concerned, the people at home don't.
neilwilson 6y ago
Widespread banning of individual owned vehicles would prevent far more deaths and amongst younger people too. Millions saved. Millions more “life years” saved. Pollution reduced. The science is also very clear on that. Is that what we want though?
- hatenberg 6y ago
  I mean. Vehicles do provide mobility at the downside of pollution in a world designed for vehicle mobility. Its a non trivial and expensive change. Masks protect for cents a day from a deadly disease leaving many people with damage for life, crippling medical bills at the downside of what exactly? Many professions wear them day in and day out. People have forgot that government means making choices we may not want but have to,
  - jakeogh 6y ago
    dupe from a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 (junk study; assumes the masks are effective and then makes predictions based on that assumption https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485) RE: Forgot? That's backwards. The government operates only with the consent of the people. It's why we have juries. For how long are you ok with the fake masks that say right on the box not designed for viruses? Forever? Pretending a it's going to just go away is getting old. Roughly 1/3 of common cold viruses are corona-class. We all know the typical hand wave explanation about droplets. Sneezing or coughing are the only significant producers of large particles that the fake masks catch, and I haven't seen a person sneeze or cough in public in a oddly long time. CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... (these are not estimates, see the footnote) 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 Mask psychology: https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infants-Withholding-Affection/13213 https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infan... Deliberate problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y Covid-19 death vs COVID-19+ death: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... Excess deaths are the only real measure: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
blackrock 6y ago
The irritating thing is seeing people walk around a grocery store, talking on their cell phones, with their masks off.
- danlugo92 6y ago
  Don't let it irritate you man. People have collectively decided they don't care. Accept what you can't change.
  - Jemm 6y ago
    I can accept dying of a virus but dying from another person's stupidity is not acceptable.

31 points by AndrewBissell 6y ago

stx 6y ago

I must admit I was wrong when I thought that people could handle wearing masks properly. I took my first trip out in months this weekend to visit family at their house in the mountains. We stayed away from people the whole time and only went out to get groceries. When driving through the town (its a small Colorado tourist town with one strip of shops) only about 50 percent of people had masks on at all. Of those with masks most had them around their chin or not covering their nose. I know that its not as simple to get a perfect air tight fit with n95/p100 but I am not talking about that. People literally just had them hanging on their chin while in large crowds. This was during the day and after dusk. I also noticed a person at the store pull their mask down to talk or sneeze which is the time when its most important to be covered.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
Viruses are a part of life. Those 50% have accepted this and moved on.
- ugexe 6y ago
  How do those type of people explain safe sex? I hope it’s not the “sheep” defense...
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Marital sex?
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Why weren't officials demanding everyone wear condoms all the time during the HIV scare?
    - ugexe 6y ago
      Because someone choosing to have unsafe sex and getting aids isn’t going to give their e.g. grandma aids. They are choosing to risk themselves, which is not the same as risking others that have not chosen to partake in the risky behavior. This may be hard to reconcile for those who think the world revolves around them.
- mritun 6y ago
  Then why are buying ventilators and asking doctors to put their lives at risk? We never bought ventilators for flu and never had so much focus on vaccines. Maybe your point is to just go on and accept that few more millions will die of this new cause.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    California is shutting down schools for the year and they've not had a single death of anyone under 18. Tell me this ain't politically motivated. I mean, with a straight face.
reitzensteinm 6y ago
"its a small Colorado tourist town with one strip of shops" You're probably suffering from sampling bias here; cautious people that take care to wear masks properly are much more likely to be at home than walking around a tourist town, even if you are an exception.
- Barrin92 6y ago
  the people who walk around in tourist towns matter as far as correct mask wearing is concerned, the people at home don't.

neilwilson 6y ago

Widespread banning of individual owned vehicles would prevent far more deaths and amongst younger people too. Millions saved. Millions more “life years” saved. Pollution reduced. The science is also very clear on that. Is that what we want though?

hatenberg 6y ago
I mean. Vehicles do provide mobility at the downside of pollution in a world designed for vehicle mobility. Its a non trivial and expensive change. Masks protect for cents a day from a deadly disease leaving many people with damage for life, crippling medical bills at the downside of what exactly? Many professions wear them day in and day out. People have forgot that government means making choices we may not want but have to,
- jakeogh 6y ago
  dupe from a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23473335 (junk study; assumes the masks are effective and then makes predictions based on that assumption https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23477485) RE: Forgot? That's backwards. The government operates only with the consent of the people. It's why we have juries. For how long are you ok with the fake masks that say right on the box not designed for viruses? Forever? Pretending a it's going to just go away is getting old. Roughly 1/3 of common cold viruses are corona-class. We all know the typical hand wave explanation about droplets. Sneezing or coughing are the only significant producers of large particles that the fake masks catch, and I haven't seen a person sneeze or cough in public in a oddly long time. CDC Influenza and pneumonia deaths by influenza season and age: United States, 2008–2015: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pneumonia-deaths-2008-2015.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/influenza-and-pn... (these are not estimates, see the footnote) 2015-2016 Flu: 7,961 Pneumonia: 131,858 All: 1,769,940 Mask psychology: https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infants-Withholding-Affection/13213 https://stpauls.vxcommunity.com/Issue/Us-Experiment-On-Infan... Deliberate problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y Covid-19 death vs COVID-19+ death: http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb943bb48c3cfb6cdf527.mp4 http://v6y.net/1541e03e6cfd1442590bc7b5476f88c30a29a0d881bdb... Excess deaths are the only real measure: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

blackrock 6y ago

The irritating thing is seeing people walk around a grocery store, talking on their cell phones, with their masks off.

danlugo92 6y ago
Don't let it irritate you man. People have collectively decided they don't care. Accept what you can't change.
- Jemm 6y ago
  I can accept dying of a virus but dying from another person's stupidity is not acceptable.