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IBM job ad calls for 12 years’ experience with Kubernetes – it is six years old
- asdff 6y agoClearly they want someone who has been working with Kubernetes for 80 hours a week
- mellosouls 6y agoPreviously discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23810519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23810519
- ivalm 6y agoI missed it! I don't think I can delete my submission but if moderator wants to that would be totally good.
- gardenfelder 6y agoReminds me of ads asking for 3 years of Java experience, in 1997.
- acwan93 6y agoThis reminds me of Chris Lattner's tweet saying he was the only one with 7 years (at the time) of Swift experience. https://twitter.com/clattner_llvm/status/877353276676612102 https://twitter.com/clattner_llvm/status/877353276676612102
- stoneman24 6y agoPerhaps there’s 2 ways of thinking about it. Critic: One year working with Kubernetes just feels like 12 years of stress. Fan: One year working with Kubernetes gives me 12 years of productivity.
- drbojingle 6y agoCould be at least one valid reason: They put high number of years to make people feel inadequacy about their experience level to make it easier to low ball them. Of course it doesn't work in this case now that EVERYONE is memeing it, but it might have been the original intention.
- hartem_ 6y agoOr maybe they just recycled an old openstack job posting and didn’t clean it up properly.
- drbojingle 6y agoyea, its more likely that someone didn't watch what they were doing.
- stareatgoats 6y agoHardly counts a valid reason now, does it?
- drbojingle 6y agofrom the perspective of an employee it might not. If your goal is to get the best people at the cheapest prices it's logic to do things that will make them accept lower salary (ideally you do it without making a meme, but eh, can't win um all I guess)
- MR4D 6y agoGreat way to cull out the liars. Either that or sheer stupidity. With a big company, you can never tell for sure.
- siegschwarz 6y agoIf you aren’t giving 200%, you are probably not IBM material.
- pinewurst 6y agoOr if you're over 30.
- na85 6y agoThis is a well known phenomenon in Canada at least. They write impossible job specs on purpose so that they can turn around and claim there is no suitable talent in North America, and then outsource the work to India/bring in temporary foreign workers at pennies to the dollar.
- 0xFFC 6y agoRight now I finishing my MSc studies in Canada and I am at job hunt with pretty solid background. It is unbelievable. It seems all the ads are literally lie. Nobody answers any email. Nobody even invites to any interview. I am starting to think all the ads are lie to import foreign workers. P.S. I don’t know why my parent comments got negative vote. But I totally would vouch for his/her estimation.
- na85 6y agoNo no, the problem is that you're a lazy entitled millennial of course.
- 0xFFC 6y agoMaybe you are right. But I don’t want to admit it. But I would not call someone with two publications in MICRO and a lot of coding experience (with demonstrably coding skills) and MSc from top tier cs school in Canada a lazy millennial.
- na85 6y ago(I was of course being sarcastic and making a joke, in case it wasn't obvious)
- Tronno 6y agoJudging from your post, your English grammar could use some improvement. It's possible you're experiencing discrimination for that reason. Have your resume and cover letter edited by a fluent/native English speaker, and you may see increased response rates.
- andyshi 6y agoI was questioned by HR hiring manager for not having "enough" experience in K8s. That company was IBM.
- TrackerFF 6y agoLet's say that Kubernetes is 15 years old - just for the discussion. Why did they land on the number 12? How much difference does 12 years yield, compared to 10? or 8? When I see these somewhat arbitrary large numbers of years, I can't help but think that the laws of diminishing returns start to kick in. Maybe instead of years, they should look at the actual work and experience people have done. Instead, use seniority levels.
- bibinou 6y agoI'm guessing 12 years is intended as a proxy for a seniority level.
- rv-de 6y agoThey should just write "a dozen". I have a dozen years of experience with this and that ...
- awesome_dude 6y agoIt's the fault of the "Outliers" book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book) The argument was that all you needed to become an expert was 10,000 hours. It's since been debunked, though, but HR is a little behind in... EVERY EFFING RELEVANT THING
- DebtDeflation 6y agoSince there are 2080 work-hours in a year (40 hours/week * 52 weeks/year) wouldn't that translate to roughly 5 years experience? But yeah, agree on HR.
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- cordite 6y agoThe jab ad for anyone that wants the link https://intellijobs.ai/job/IBMCloud-Native-Infrastructure-Engineer-Architect-bvJJ6yraexfWOk1nMRKP-bvJJ6yraexfWOk1nMRKP https://intellijobs.ai/job/IBMCloud-Native-Infrastructure-En... My own opinion, but software APIs change over the years, experience from 8 years ago may not be relevant for a product with the same name.
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- perl4ever 6y agoWait a second... "We interviewed a 28yo designer in 2012 who told us he had 17 years experience designing websites. I said, “Tim Berners-Lee doesn’t have 17 years experience designing websites.” “Who’s Tim Berners-Lee?” he asked." 2012 - 17 = 1995. I was making websites, or at least pages, in 1995 and I didn't invent the WWW. Is this intentional irony? If not, it's really depressing.
- diroussel 6y agoBut if you had been designing web pages since 1995 and still didn't know who Tim Berners-Lee is, then maybe it makes you look un-observant.
- FabHK 6y agoGood point. Tim Berners-Lee apparently put the first WWW page up by Christmas 1990, and Mosaic was released 1993. Here's the web from 1992... http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html
- perl4ever 6y agoCirca 1993, I was "browsing the web" on Lynx (IIRC) via dialing the local public library. That was, however, before I had created any web pages. And before I had any graphical browser running on my own computer. I think I still have a physical book claiming to be a complete listing of the Internet from that era, when the WWW existed, but was a rather small portion of a 2-3 inch thick directory. But it was still considerably more than one CERN site.
- redler 6y agoAh yes, the Internet Yellow Pages by Harley Hahn. Literally thousands of sites catalogued for your browsing pleasure.
- perl4ever 6y agoNo, it was "THE INTERNET DIRECTORY" by Eric Braun. From 1994. Mea culpa, it seems like the World Wide Web section was a list of public clients and I don't see a listing of websites. However, it did attempt to list most other resources on the internet. "The guide with the MOST COMPLETE LISTINGS for: 1500+ Internet and Bitnet Mailing Lists 2700+ Usenet Newsgroups 1000+ Online Library Catalogs (OPACs) 100+ Anonymous FTP Archives and Archie Servers 300+ Gopher Servers Wide Area Information Servers World Wide Web E-text Archives and Resources Project Gutenberg, CETH, OTA, etc. 250+ Electronic Journals And more! Getting access to the Internet Finding resources on the Internet Reaching other networks on the Internet ALL ADDRESSES FULLY VERIFIED!"